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To: FastCoyote
Basically, Mormons are a polytheistic cult that believes in ancestor worship.

Not worship, but honor and love. Please see the last 2 verses of the Old Testament, written about the last days, written some 300 years before Christ.

Malachi 4:

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

The Church that Joseph Smith restored is the fullness of the Gospel, all things have been restored by Jesus Christ. In fact, not only did Joseph claim that he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ, but also John the Baptist, Peter, James, John, Moses, Elijah (mentioned above), and others. The Church is about the restitution of all things, with all the priesthood keys that God has ever bestowed upon man, being given to man again.

They belong to His church, as do the administering of angels, miracles, faith, repentance, baptism and all the other things that always existed in His church.

These are principles that won't be accepted by all, but to those with ears to hear, and the desire to find out truths by the Holy Ghost, they are here.

All the best, I know you will flame me big time after this post, but I've said my peace, and don't feel the need to debate my religion with you any further.

Go with God.

155 posted on 04/05/2007 8:14:51 PM PDT by sevenbak
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To: sevenbak

“All the best, I know you will flame me big time after this post, but I’ve said my peace, and don’t feel the need to debate my religion with you any further.”

Great, you’ve admitted to polytheism and at least of form of ancestor worship, that ought to sit well with other Freepers who read this thread.

“The Church that Joseph Smith restored is the fullness of the Gospel, all things have been restored by Jesus Christ. In fact, not only did Joseph claim that he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ, but also John the Baptist, Peter, James, John, Moses, Elijah (mentioned above), and others. The Church is about the restitution of all things, with all the priesthood keys that God has ever bestowed upon man, being given to man again.”

Oh yeah, I’m convinced now. The rock crystal gazer and Masonic occultist Joseph Smith saw God, Jesus, John the Baptist, Peter, James, John, Moses, and Elijah as well as being the only one to see the golden tablets of Moroni (which magically disappear). Wow, not even Christ claimed that many visions (or that many wives). And you guys want to call me nuts for not falling for the Mitt Romney express. I think someone’s been hitting the wacky weed.

I’d say Go with God to you too, but which God is this? According to wikipedia:

[According to the literal interpretation, Kolob is an actual star in this universe that is near to, or perhaps the sun of, the physical throne of God. This interpretation has significant formative impact on Mormon belief and criticism, leading to conceptions such as that the faithful will be made gods of planets in this universe, that God dwells within this universe rather than transcending it, and that the Biblical creation is a creation of the local earth, galaxy, or solar system rather than the entire known physical reality.]

So, Go With The God who lives near Kolob, and with all the Gods who inhabit other planets. Your religion is very similar to Islam, which worships the moon and sun gods and various other entities, so pardon me if I don’t buy in.


159 posted on 04/05/2007 11:34:21 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: sevenbak
Here, this ought to explain Mormon polytheism to you


160 posted on 04/05/2007 11:45:04 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: sevenbak; White Mountain; restornu; Jim Robinson; Religion Moderator; Reaganesque
All the best, I know you will flame me big time after this post, but I've said my peace, and don't feel the need to debate my religion with you any further.

I would encourage the Mormons here to reconsider debating theology with the rest of us in detail on any political thread.

We simply will not agree on the matter. It's time to recognize that. And Mitt Romney is not running for pope so please don't allow the discussion to turn into something along those lines.

Focus instead on Romney's secularism and his governing as a civic Christian, a "Christian with a small 'c'". His record there is quite similar to that of any elected president from any of the orthodox Christian churches. I don't know of anything in his record to suggest he is some kind of super-Mormon. Far from it.

Romney is not making his campaign about Mormonism. I'd suggest you consider his example. I don't think letting Mormonism threads turn into theology threads contributes anything. Don't let yourselves be baited into such exchanges.

Giuliani, for example, is such a bad Catholic that he can no longer receive communion from his church and he and his Co-Presidentrix were so maritally immoral by the standards of the R.C. church that they had only a civil marriage without any blessing of their church.

But that isn't a very good basis on which to bash him and oppose him. We oppose him because he is a candidate of the Left, a domestic enemy of conservatives and those who love of liberty and the Constitution. And bashing Giuliani just for being a bad Catholic could offend many reliably conservative Catholics here on the forum.

The FR Mormons should discuss it among themselves. But I think it's good advice. I suggest you dialog with the moderators and JimRob and advocate restricting fights over Mormon theology to the Smoky Backroom where they have always belonged and with certain limits even there. This polluting of political threads with anti-Mormon material is also not healthy for the forum. Conservatives who are Mormons and Catholics and Jews and evangelicals and Baptists and Protestants or atheists or agnostic should all be able to gather on FR for discussions of politics and candidates. While religion and theology are not entirely irrelevant and should not be forbidden, I don't see any reason why Mormonism has any greater degree of difference from Judaism and Christianity and atheists in political dialog. FReepers who adhere to those other belief systems are not particularly singled out for discrimination against as a group politically. Why is Mormonism singled out in this way for a political discussion?

I think you should discuss with FR's management about whether posts bashing Mormonismm should be removed by hitting Abuse on them. Moving them to the Backroom would make it easy for anti-Romney FReepers to neutralize political threads with any favorable reporting on Romney. A discussion of Mormonism would only be appropriate on a political thread in the context of Romney being an extreme Mormon of some sort (polygamist, apostate, harboring a desire to favor Mormonism in public policy, etc.).

I am personally quite anti-Mormon theologically, to put it mildly. But this is the political side of FR, not the Smoky Backroom where the Robinsons have generously (and wisely) hosted a religion forum for us.

[Religion Moderator, does this kind of theological discussion belong in the Back Room? Should political threads be allowed to be the only place on FR where anti-mormonism is tolerated? Is this the face FR wants to present to the public? And are you the moderator to flag to deal with this issue, to arbitrate whether these antimormon posts have crossed the line? It's going to be a long and bitter year here if management won't impose a little discipline on this matter. Shouldn't we agree to be reasonable and save such discussion for the Backroom?]

[restornu, whatever happened to White Mountain anyway?]

162 posted on 04/06/2007 1:00:36 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: sevenbak
Question: What does the Mormon church have to say about Romney's promotion of the gay agenda in Massachusetts? Or are they going "Episcopalian"?


163 posted on 04/06/2007 1:04:11 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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