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To: DuncanWaring
That, and two engines didn’t push hard enough.

No, the size of the 707 was determined by the limitations of having the most powerful engine available in the 1950's. The requirement is that a plane must be able to take off if it loses an engine during takeoff. A 707 having four engines does not have to divert if it has one engine shut down during a flight. That is the major reason why QANTAS still preferrs to fly 747's rather than switch to 777's. If an engine is shut down during flight, they can still continue on to their original destination. A twin engined plane operating under ETOPS rules must divert to the nearest suitable airport if one engine is shut down. Currently 777's must use flight paths which are no more than 180 minutes away from a diversion airport at any time during a flight. Aircraft with three or more engines have no limit to their diversion times with one engine out. Boeing is petitioning the FAA and JAA to extend ETOPS times out to 330 minutes which is 5.5 hours from a diversion airport. This extention if approved, would allow twin engined aircraft to fly almost any route in the world except across Antarctia.




Map showing ETOPS 180 limits.





Map showing ETOPS 330 limits.


158 posted on 04/04/2007 9:21:14 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
No, the size of the 707 was determined by the limitations of having the most powerful engine available in the 1950's.

Well, yeah, that's what I was saying.

Two engines the size of those originally on the 707 left absolutely margin for error on takeoff. As I recall the FARs, a four-engine commercial aircraft must be able to lose two engines on takeoff and maintain a positive flight path angle. A twin-engine aircraft must be able to continue to climb on one engine.

The 707/KC-135 had four engines for the same reason the B-47 had six and the B-52 has eight - they needed that many in order to get that much airplane into the air.

160 posted on 04/04/2007 9:39:52 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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