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To: mamelukesabre

You have a point in there.

The people who came to America were, in a very real sense, Europe’s, and Africa’s and Asia’s - even Latin America’s - rejects.

Who came from England? There were always a few powerful bigwigs to rule everyone else, but Virginia was originally populated primarily with transported prisoners. Women were originally procured by rounding up English whores and forcing them off to the Americas. Before the English Civil War broke out, the detested Puritans fled into the American wilds. Once the Puritans won and Cromwell was established, the broken Cavaliers fled to Virginia. Maryland was founded as a place to dump off unwanted English Catholics. Georgia, of course, was a penal colony. The Enclosure Acts kept a steady population of the unlanded poor flowing into America. The Navigation Acts and Tarrifs and other rules broke the Ulster textile industries and began the 18th Century mass immigrations of the “Scotch-Irish” into the American wilds. The Catholic Irish, of course, who came over were the ones who were otherwise facing death in the Potato Famine or, later, were unemployed.

Which of the Scandinavians came? Not the landed and established? The surplus populations of the unemployed.

Among the Germans, first it was the unwanted Anabaptists and Brethren, hated for their religious beliefs. Then, later, it was the poor and unemployed.

The French experience was a little different, in that it was usually higher classes of people who moved to Protestant America. But they did so, again, because they were rejected in France: the Huguenots, then the nobility, especially the nobility of the Empire. French-Canada, of course, was actually populated by hand-picked colonists of good Catholic character, which explains the very different early experience of the Quebec colony.

And into this welter were injected the black slaves, the defeated of Africa’s tribal struggles.

And later, the Chinese and Japanese coolies, workers who had nothing in overpopulated China and Japan.

Today, it is not the well-establish landed class of Mexico that immigrates. It’s the poor laborers and Indians.

America has gotten the rejects, the dregs, of every continent. But the stones that the builders rejected have become the cornerstones of a greater nation than any of those left behind.

It is only natural that Americans should harbor a degree of rejection, a degree of contempt and a degree of scorn for Europe. After all, Americans are descended of people who were driven - oftentimes violently - from their homelands as rejects. America filled up with people Europe treated like crap. European states showed no loyalty or love for the debris of their society they offloaded in America. These people, and their children and grandchildren, built a civilization that is more advanced than Europe scientifically in every field of endeavor, that is wealthier than Europe and is more sophisticated financially as well, that is militarily superior to every armed force in Europe on an equipment level and on a unit-by-unit level. And they built an America which has successively destroyed 6 European Empires: the French (in the Americas), the British (in the Americas), the Spanish, the German, the Italian and the Soviet Russian.

There is no love lost between America and Europe, and Americans have no historical reason to treat Europe with respect. Americans’ ancestors were driven from Europe as “the wretched refuse from a teeming shore”. No thanks to Europe, at all, they built the greatest civilization the world has ever known in North America, and then reached out and ended European world domination, establishing their own.

Some of us still have strong ties to Europe, but not very many. For most there is a sense of an emotional tie to some distant “Homeland”, be it in Africa, in Asia, or in Europe. However, closer acquaintance with any of the ancestral homelands causes most Americans to thank their lucky stars that their ancestors were badly beaten up by these ancient lands, such that they left, dregs all, and made a better world in the New.

It is unsurprising that Europe and America do not really get along well, and never have. America is in a literal sense a rejection of Europe.

“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
with silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

- Inscription on the Statue of Liberty, New York harbor, USA.

(By the way, it is not as though all Europeans are oblivious to this. ‘Twas France that was inspired to give the Statue of Liberty to America, apres tout.)


88 posted on 04/09/2007 11:33:22 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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To: Vicomte13
WONDERFUL POST!

That is without a doubt the greatest response I’ve ever received in the whole 6 years I’ve been posting on FR. The poem at the end actually choked me up.

In my mind, what really seals a nation’s fate is the overall average of the entire population of these character traits: honesty, integrity, morality, strength, bravery. Maybe a few others I’m forgetting.

Whenever I see or hear about some country somewhere making stupid decisions or oppressing their people or getting caught in the act of some corruptness...I can’t help but think it is a symptom of a shortage of strong and moral individuals capable of making a difference. My theory is that there is a threshold, where if the truly strong and moral types drop below a certain minimum percentage, then there becomes decreased incentive for the rest of us to strive for that ideal. Then everyone is looking to get away with whatever they can get away with.

I see most of the world as being a basket case, in terms of my threshold theory. And I see the USA as hanging on by a thread.

In my younger years I used to think of myself as being one of those few strong ones that was capable of making a difference. But now I know I’m not. Now I know I’m merely strong enough to never allow myself to sink to a despicable level no matter what. But the strength to effect others? Nope. Not in this lifetime.

130 posted on 04/09/2007 5:21:35 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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