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Air powered car provides cost savings [watch video]
ISA ^ | 29 March 2007 | n/a

Posted on 03/30/2007 7:17:49 PM PDT by Rick_Michael

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To: ltc8k6

Now that is good information.

Not speculation that it "can't possibly work", but history of failure to follow through on promises.


181 posted on 04/01/2007 3:33:33 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Kellis91789
You can't be serious ? Most car companies use hundreds of factories to produce the parts for a car, and a few final assembly plants. Did you think all of the thousands of parts that go into a vehicle are made in one factory ? ROTFLMAO

Yes, I'm serious. These are not parts factories. Last I checked, there were not 50 Accord factories, and the Accord does massive volume. ROFLMAO.

182 posted on 04/01/2007 4:09:35 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Kellis91789
Electricity to charge the car is cheap enough. At 10 cents per kwh, an electric vehicle 5-passenger sedan would cost only 2 cents per mile in electricity.

BS. Rank BS.

183 posted on 04/01/2007 4:10:11 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: SierraWasp
You had a HOUSE! We only had a tent until the tornado took it one year.

John Chapter 6 verse 60-66

John 6:60-66
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

184 posted on 04/01/2007 5:25:07 PM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast? ("If God is your Father then I am your Brother" Larry Norman)
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To: Rodney King

Where did the article say they were not parts factories ??

All it said was that MDI had signed with 50 factories. It didn't say those were final assembly plants.


185 posted on 04/01/2007 6:36:22 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Kellis91789

186 posted on 04/01/2007 6:39:15 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?
Was this referring to disciples other than the original 12? Sure sounds like it! That "flesh profiteth nothing would sure have kept Arnoild Schwartzenegger from becoming, or remaining a disciple.

In verse 60, they sound like a bunch of pseudo conservative political hacks on FR claiming the people can't handle the "hard" truth of conservatism, so we must never put forth another Goldwater or Reagan in view of the fearful popularity of the all powerful left/MSM complex.

Our tornado just mowed the grass on our pathetic dirt roof!!! So we moved in with the Pawnee in their teepee. We were so poor we couldn't even pay their rent on their tent! There! That's poorness so powerful it even rhymes!!! (poetic poorness)

187 posted on 04/01/2007 6:49:11 PM PDT by SierraWasp (CA is pleagued with a GANG-GREENOUS REPELLICAN GOVERNOR!!! He's worsened the Gray Davis' MESS!!!)
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To: Rodney King

Not BS. Five miles per kwh is achievable in the real world for electric vehicles. A five passenger sedan should use less energy than a Rav4 EV, and here is a real-world report on the Rav4 EV:

http://evnut.com/rav_data.htm

Notice this paragraph:

"My range record (and I don't try for max range very often!) per charge was accomplished 08.21.05. I drove 133 miles on 100% SOC. Two people in the car, plus the portable charger in back. Twisty, hilly drive with many stops at the beginning and end. Heavy AC use for one full leg of the two-way trip. Final score: 191 Wh/mile consumed = 5.2 miles per KWh"

Or the GM EV1 which used only 164wh/mile:

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/avta/pdfs/fsev/eva_results/genmot.pdf

Even the Dodge TEVan only used 400wh/mile. Certainly a well-designed five passenger sedan would have better aerodynamics than a mini-van. Even the TEVan would cost only 4 cents per mile for the electricity -- equivalent to 80 cents per gallon gasoline for the regular ICE mini-van.

The cost of the electricity is minor compared to the cost of battery replacement.


188 posted on 04/01/2007 7:24:07 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: WOSG
How much energy is in that 90 cubic meters?

Find formulas here. Scroll down to read and see the damage caused by exploding 72 cu. ft. aluminum SCUBA tank at a re-filling station.

http://biobug.org/scuba/scubatank/

189 posted on 04/01/2007 7:29:02 PM PDT by Covenantor
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To: HighWheeler
Their website said something to this effect...I didn't see them as trying to pass off some magic cure to oil. But with combinations of electricity sources such as coal, hydro, wind and nuclear and at only $2 or so per tank it seems a potential avenue...and as was stated by others, certainly a better option than putting money into the hands of Middle East nations. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't large plants more efficient than portable autos in producing energy? If they double the range and get some designs that don't look so goofy they have some potential...but since it's just the start of the design one would suspect there is room for improvement on design and efficiency.
190 posted on 04/01/2007 7:52:28 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: aligncare

300 bars is about 4,500 psi; my home compressor wakes up the neighbors before it reaches 120 psi.

To pump one cubic meter takes about 9 minutes so 90 cubic meters would require at least 90 minutes if the power was proportional to the load which it isn't.

4-5 hours or more of deafening racket in your garage while you desperately need to rest before you awake to fend off your red eyed, sleep-deprived fence buddy could get tiresome after a day or so.


A 20 HP engine will have an air demand of roughly 90CFM so theoretically on level ground a frictionless vehicle could run for 308 minutes; real world efficiencies, friction, accessories, etc. we can allow only 25-30% so we allow the claim of 124 miles traveled at much lower speeds than 60MPH but still have a small problem of where the energy to run the compressor come from.

Going back to my first caveat concerning noise, the linked video has an accompanying sound level that almost drowns out the narrator so it is safe to assume that any attempts to muffle the "engine" will result in a concomitant reduction in transmitted power.

All in all it sounds as though this a bit hard to take lying down without a pillow stuffed in your ears.


191 posted on 04/01/2007 8:59:12 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: frankenMonkey

>>And in the end, that source of origin is fossil fuel (except for solar cells.)

Nuclear, wind, tidal ...


192 posted on 04/01/2007 9:09:29 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: SierraWasp
I believe that this verse goes to show in the last days many will profess to be a follower but when it comes down to it they will turn their backs and receive the mark to do business.

Did I mention there was 22 in my family? We had hand me down cloths the problem was my older sibling was a girl. You can't help but to get into fights when your wearing a dress.

193 posted on 04/01/2007 9:21:22 PM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast? ("If God is your Father then I am your Brother" Larry Norman)
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To: John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?

Well... Us kids weren't so numerous, but we was so poor that momma used to cut the bottoms of our pockets out so's we'd have somethin ta play with!!!


194 posted on 04/02/2007 10:58:31 AM PDT by SierraWasp (CA is pleagued with a GANG-GREENOUS REPELLICAN GOVERNOR!!! He's worsened the Gray Davis' MESS!!!)
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To: drlevy88

They use carbon-fiber for the tanks instead of metal. They said it splits and cracks to avoid the shrapnel risk.


195 posted on 04/02/2007 11:23:57 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: drlevy88

No, it wouldn’t. It’s Carbon Fiber.


196 posted on 04/25/2008 8:30:59 PM PDT by papasmurf (Unless I post a link to a resource, what I post is opinion, regardless of how I spin it.)
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