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To: flintsilver7
I happen to think that based on your responses you certainly believe in God but are quite angry with him. For what reason I cannot say.

Sorry. I really am not at all mad at God. And I don't believe he exists. I think the character of God in the Bible leaves a lot to be desired. I don't admire that character. I don't admire Voldemort or the Wicked Stepmother, either. How can I be mad at something that doesn't actually do anything, ever, and never has.

I'm at a loss, though, to explain why you are so hung up on notions of prayer. Are you suggesting that because God did not save Jessica Lunsford, he does not answer prayers? I suppose it follows that because God did not answer one particular prayer that He does not exist?

You don't appreciate the importance of prayer in the Christian religion, then. There's really no evidence that God answers prayers. He has never been credited with the impossible. No believer has ever had God do the impossible. The problem is that nothing is impossible to God, based on his resume. Without God answering prayers, which is easy enough to establish because he doesn't do it in any consistent way and his requirements to answer those prayers vary wildly, you basically are left with believing in God so you can go to a magical place after you die. It's just a fairy tale. It's not that God didn't answer one prayer in particular.

The reason I say you, like many atheists, have a God complex is because you can't comprehend this situation. On the surface, to you the Lunsford case was a case of God's indifference to the plight of a young girl. This case has had ramifications well beyond the Lunsfords and that sick pervert. What if that spurs change in the legal system? What if child predators are taken more seriously (Couey was a repeat offender)? What if that spurs change elsewhere? What if this change results in future lives saved? You can't know God's will - this would require you to be God.

Wow. That does blow my mind. Not in the way you hope, I guess. Seriously, you think that God needed Jessica to be tortured so that the legal system changes? The supreme being of all the universe who can do anything and everything and knows anything and everything couldn't accomplish his goal of changing the legal system (or whatever other justification-- I'm not limiting you) without Jessica being kidnapped, raped, and buried alive? That's the craziest "ends justifies the means" statement ever, don't you think? If God was a person who was found to have been in a position to stop this from happening, we'd put him in prison. We wouldn't worship him.

If you know the Bible (and you somewhat seem to) you would recall that Jesus himself prayed to be saved. The point in all of this is things that might seem to be nothing but evil can ultimately lead to better things.

According to the story, Jesus was created for the purpose of being a human sacrifice. Since he is viewed as God's son and was alive as a spirit before being made into man (he was there when God tossed Satan out of heaven-- which was before Adam was created), it's considered okay that he was sacrificed by God. He knew from Day 1 that that was his mission. That doesn't apply to Jessica. And besides, if it did, I'd be more inclined to view Jessica as worth worshiping than Jesus/God because Jessica suffered more than Jesus did.

Why should amputees' prayers be immediately answered?

Never answered. Never.

What if I pray for the suffering of people I don't like? What if I pray for a wad of cash to arrive in the mail today? What if I pray to get rid of my warts? It's a small and simple problem - why can't God just fix it?

I have seen Christians credit God for answering their prayer for things like the removal of a wart. Anyway, I understand that God isn't a genie. Genies at least give you 3 wishes. God doesn't give you any answered prayers, even though most all Christians think he does.

The most troubling thing about Jessica's story is that there was a moment in that trash bag when she had an epiphany-- that God doesn't exist, that she is alone in the universe, that he doesn't answer prayers, even though she had been as good of a Christian as a 9 year old can be. She would have been happy to have had a genie, I assure you.

118 posted on 03/31/2007 9:43:53 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
The most troubling thing about Jessica's story is that there was a moment in that trash bag when she had an epiphany-- that God doesn't exist, that she is alone in the universe, that he doesn't answer prayers, even though she had been as good of a Christian as a 9 year old can be. She would have been happy to have had a genie, I assure you.

Since this statement cannot in any way be proven, are you asking us to take it on faith?

163 posted on 04/02/2007 9:31:04 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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