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Bush and Kennedy are NOT together on this, and those of us who want to stop amnesty better wake up and understand what is happening here.

We ARE going to get a bill. It can be a bad bill, or a horrible bill.

Kennedy is pushing a bill like the one from last year in the Senate. I THOUGHT we'd be lucky to get off so easy, but I was wrong. The republicans are ready to push a bill that isn't nearly so liberal as that one.

We can FIGHT this republican bill, which will guarantee that Kennedy's bill will pass, and Bush WILL sign it,

Or we can get behind the republican plan, hold our noses, and be thankful that it isn't worse after last november's elections.

My guess is we'll choose the first, because of irrational exuberance over our ability to control the votes of congress.

Disclosure -- I've always supported a restrictive guest worker program, AND the ability for people here illegally to be allowed to apply for citizenship. So while I opposed last year's plan as too liberal, I don't need them to move as far to the right as some people here would.

"I've always supported a restrictive guest worker program, AND the ability for people here illegally to be allowed to apply for citizenship. So while I opposed last year's plan as too liberal"

What about it was too "liberal"? It sounds like just what you wanted.

>>Bush and Kennedy are NOT together on this....We can FIGHT this republican bill, which will guarantee that Kennedy's bill will pass, and Bush WILL sign it<<

Sounds like they are not that far apart.

>>and those of us who want to stop amnesty better wake up and understand what is happening here.<<

How will the Bush version stop amnesty?

>>My guess is we'll choose the first, because of irrational exuberance<<

Or on principle, because both bills are wrong.

Or we can get behind the republican plan, hold our noses, and be thankful that it isn't worse after last november's elections.

Nope. No more nose holding. That BS is just about done. We are going to see more "drafting" of real leaders not worthless skum liers that clame they are "conservative republicans" when in fact they are @zzholes.

DONT tell me I have no choice except for Bad or Worse. I will find a way out and leave you "holding your nose."

We already have guest worker programs in the form of H1B, H2B, E-1, E-2, E3 Treaty, Nurse, O-1, P Visa for Athletes and Entertainers, TN Nafta, etc. visas. Hundreds of thousands are already working here under those programs.

You are advocating amnesty for those who violated our laws by entering our country illegally and for identity theft. What signal does that send to potential illegals wanting to enter and to the millions of those who are standing in line abroad waiting in line to enter legally?

The first thing that needs to be done is to shut down the supply of illegals coming in through our borders and from visa overstays. Until we can demonstrate that we are seriously committed to stopping the flow of 500,000 to 1 million illegals entering annually, no action should be taken on those already here. We made the same mistake in 1986.