If this was the typical bill where, after a few years, people would wake up and see how bad it was and fix it, I might agree with you.
But if the Kennedy bill gets passed, the illegals are all getting amnesty, they will never have to leave, and they will all be granted citizenship, making it nearly impossible to correct the mistake.
The republican plan does NOT give these people citizenship, and while it allows them to stay and work, it's on a plan that does not include citizenship.
Citizenship requires them to leave the country. I can't say what else it requires, the details aren't being published. My plan requires those with less than 5 years to leave the country and wait until their turn comes up. It allows those 5 years or more to pre-register and be pre-screened. If they pass screening, they can pay a yearly fee to stay while they wait in the back of the line for citizenship.
So they might become citizens, but only after everybody who followed the legal procedure are served, and then only under the quota system, not an automatic right like the democrat's plan.
We did the "no compromise" thing last year, and now we have a democrat congress to deal with so it's no likely we'll get what we want. And if we push republicans to throw out their plan, the democrats will PASS their plan.
This isn't like an election where two years later you get to go again with the right candidate. If the democrats pass their immigration bill, we will NEVER get to pass another one.
The republican plan seems to NOT grant automatic citizenship to all the illegals. It could be the basis for something that is tolerable. At LEAST read the plan and consider it in light of the alternative before rejecting it and essentially chosing Kennedy's bill. Cut of your nose to spite your face if you like to torture yourself, but do it in an informed way.
Well, arn't you just the little surrender monkey!
well here is a new concept for you.
No "comprehensive" anything. It is what you don't see here that tells me much about why you promote surrendering. You see it as "We did the "no compromise" thing last year, and now we have a democrat congress to deal with"
Americans see it as "We did the "no compromise" thing last year," and we held the line and we do not have 30 million illegal aliens loose in this nation laughing about their brand new amnesty. And yes, we took some hits on that but that is part of the fight. Apparently you want to start waving white flags around just because we got one bloody nose.
The only bill a majority of Americans want is the one that authorizes funds for the mass transportation of the illegal aliens to the closest u.S. border.
You are more than welcome to stick your rear end in the air but I will fight this attack on the nation just like I have other attacks to this nation in the past. Your “we can’t win” sniveling makes me sick.
To be very honest, looking at your reply, you will never "get it." You will go along to get along and you will always be a miserable creature. Here is a good quote from history that sums it up.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
Ok, your spanking is over, go starch your flag
Sad that you agree with plans to give away our nation.
Your "plan" is unworkable. How do you propose ensuring compliance to get those millions who have been here less than five years to leave and get to the back of the line. What incentive do they have? The way we grant immigrant visas to the US involves background checks, police checks [US and host country,] physcials, etc. What are the "sticks" for non-compliance. Why would someone who was concerned about not meeting the standards, leave the US and put himself at risk for not getting back in? How long do you think they should wait in the back of the line in their host country? What do you mean by the "back of the line?" There are millions of cleared, legal immigrants today waiting in line overseas because there are annual caps on their particular categories of immigration. Would these illegals go ahead of these people?
The fact is that we don't have the administrative resources to handle what we are supposed to be doing now. Adding another 12 to 20 million people to this process is not possible without a massive increase in USG employees. And it would spawn a huge brueaucracy. I can also imagine the legal challenges that would arise from groups like the ACLU and La Raza should we try to deport any families, and the Dems would demagog the issue.
So they might become citizens, but only after everybody who followed the legal procedure are served, and then only under the quota system, not an automatic right like the democrat's plan.
Living and working in the US under a legalized status is reward enough. Would you allow them to bring in their wives and children so their families could be reunited?
The republican plan seems to NOT grant automatic citizenship to all the illegals. It could be the basis for something that is tolerable. At LEAST read the plan and consider it in light of the alternative before rejecting it and essentially chosing Kennedy's bill. Cut of your nose to spite your face if you like to torture yourself, but do it in an informed way.
It has less to do with citizenship and more to do with legalizing their status. We are permitting them to stay and work here. And given the impact of chain migration, granting millions more that privilege. Passing such legislation without demonstrating that we can secure our borders and enforce existing immigration laws is a prescription for the destruction of the US. We can't continue to assimilate these kinds of numbers and to take in the poor and undeducated of Latin America. Eventually, the life boat gets swamped and we all go down with it.
On May lst, another protest march and boycott will take place. Listen to the message being sent to the US people. THEY are going to again, demand what they perceive to be theirs. No borders, and no such thing as a person being an illegal.
Nothing short of this, not even your plan will satisfy them untill the two Nations are blended as one. NOTHING!
Prove me wrong, Charles.
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>>We did the "no compromise" thing last year, and now we have a democrat congress to deal with so it's no likely we'll get what we want. And if we push republicans to throw out their plan, the democrats will PASS their plan.
This isn't like an election where two years later you get to go again with the right candidate. If the democrats pass their immigration bill, we will NEVER get to pass another one.<<
This way of thinking worked out really well for Czechoslovakia in 1938. "If we don't give up the Sudatenland, Hitler will take the whole country." It seems to me like very wishful thinking. We have 15,000,000 illegals now, but in 10 years, when we have 25,000,000, we will be in better shape to pass another bill to fix the problem?
I will study what the plan says, but Bush's recent actions have turned me from a loyal supporter to one who very strongly distrusts him.