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Heading for war with Iran? (Brit press gets mad)
Daily Telegraph ^ | 30th March, 2007 | Simon Heffer

Posted on 03/30/2007 6:02:27 AM PDT by propertius

I start to wonder whether it might not be time for us to get as nasty with other countries as they do with us.

As we wait anxiously to see what will happen to our 15 hostages - for that is what they are - in Teheran, we should feel undiluted rage at the behaviour of other countries and institutions towards us.

Mind you, when those third parties witness the drivelling weakness of the Foreign Office over the last week, and in particular the pathetic show put up by our Foreign Secretary - who must surely be just about the worst in our history - who can blame them?

There is no doubt the 15 were in international waters when captured, or that they were undertaking a United Nations mission in pursuit of upholding UN resolutions. Yet the best the UN itself can do is pass a weak-kneed resolution describing its “grave concern”, rather than a tougher one calling upon all nations to “deplore” Iran’s behaviour.

This is all the fault of Russia, to whom Mr Blair routinely cosies up, and whom the civilised world invites to its annual G8 summit meetings. Russia seems to think it isn’t worth “deploring” the kidnap of our sailors, so we had better start to show Russia what we think of it: by uninviting it from the G8 this year, and every year until it learns some manners.

When not busy ordering the murders of his opponents, Vladimir Putin seems to enjoy hobnobbing with the leaders of civilised countries, so such a sanction would hurt.

We don’t have the means to engage in gunboat diplomacy with Iran, and any special forces operation would be fraught with risks both for the hostages and their rescuers.

For the moment, ever-stricter sanctions on Iran seems the only answer. America is resolute about this. So too, oddly, is the world’s greatest sanction-busting nation, France. So the scope for tightening the economic ratchet on Iran, and the means to do so, look healthy.

However, we should be under no illusions about the effectiveness of such weapons.

Saddam Hussein, after all, was put under sanctions for years. Real hardship was caused to his people, but almost none at all to him and his ruling clique.

President Ahmadinejad of Iran has already threatened Britain about our involvement of “third parties” - that is, the UN - in the present dispute, showing his utter contempt for that organisation.

He would treat sanctions with similar disdain, happily cutting off the noses of his own people to spite their faces. And all the time, the threat he and his inherent instability pose to us all would never cease growing.

Whatever the immediate outcome of this crisis, Britain has some hard decisions to make. Is it worthwhile, any longer, to work through the United Nations?

So long as a morally warped nation like Putin’s Russia calls the shots in the Security Council, no.

We can make debating points about how odd it is that Putin deplores Islamic nutters when they attack his forces but is relaxed about them attacking ours, but in the end there is no point in bothering.

The UN showed itself to be weak with Saddam Hussein. It is no better now.

If we are going to continue to try to be a player in the Middle East, then we have to throw in our lot with the Americans, for no-one else makes the blindest bit of difference there.

The capricious, and indeed downright wicked, behaviour of the Iranians towards our sailors confirms one other thing: that the civilised world cannot let the Ahmadinejad regime develop nuclear weapons.

It is not just his oft-repeated enthusiasm for wiping Israel off the face of the earth that should worry us: it is what this madman might decide he wants to do to anyone else within range.

This is no time for our clueless Government to be mothballing the Navy and cutting down the other services. For, at some stage, Iran’s lethal contempt for the rule of international law is going to mean war.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: hostages; iran; russia; uk
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To: propertius

Maybe the "British Lion" isn't asleep, after all. I wonder what it will take to really piss him off?


41 posted on 03/30/2007 6:35:24 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: brownsfan

We are in a knife fight with an opponent who is willing, and not afraid to die. We, on the other hand, don't want to be scratched.

This is one of the best descriptions of the situation I've seen!


42 posted on 03/30/2007 6:38:20 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: kopite
That's right, they're not going to hurt anyone after all they're "The Religion of Peace". Now go stick your head back in the sand. Wuss.

BTW, Maybe if you refrain from the tough guy(girl?) cuss words your posts won't be pulled.

43 posted on 03/30/2007 6:39:28 AM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: propertius

Did I wake up on another planet this morning?

THIS was by the British PRESS???


45 posted on 03/30/2007 6:41:15 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: stevio

Looks like Kopite has had to leave us for a while.

A great loss, I'm sure we all agree...


46 posted on 03/30/2007 6:42:24 AM PDT by propertius
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So I see we have another Muslim apologist from Britain, probably Pakistani by origin. We were warned to be on the lookout for you guys and I think I have spotted 2 in the last week.

For the record, we bash the shit out of our own leaders when they show no backbone. Ever been on a thread "bashing" the treasonous backstabbing wormy actions of our Congress?

47 posted on 03/30/2007 6:42:42 AM PDT by nativist
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To: tgusa; Admin Moderator
Suggest just ignoring this imbecile. Complain to moderator rather than egging potty-mouth on.

Nice job, AM! Kopite has been duly banned or suspended.

48 posted on 03/30/2007 6:43:11 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel makes Joe Biden look like a statesman!)
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To: propertius

The press gets mad and clamors for war over 15 hostages who will likely be fed and taken care of, yet that same brit press, left and right, vilifies the US for taking down the murdering terrorist Saddam.


49 posted on 03/30/2007 6:43:35 AM PDT by pissant (The new Fred Astaire: Rudy Rodham Bloomberg)
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To: Night Hides Not

We'll miss him / her. NOT.


50 posted on 03/30/2007 6:45:10 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: kots

Well, I know it's slightly different from the SAS raid on the Iranian embassy in London or the Israeli assault on Entebbe, but if our intelligence was good enough (sadly there's no way it is) a covert operation would have been possible.

Sadly we are missing some of the great spies of our Imperial past (I'm thinking of the likes of Sekunder Burnes in Afghanistan and the extraordinary feats of many British spies during the Great Game)


51 posted on 03/30/2007 6:45:25 AM PDT by propertius
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To: DogBarkTree
"The UK will never take real action so the US will never have a chance to back them up."

To be fair, we haven't done anything about Iran's more serious and numerous acts of war against us, either. Our business and government leaders are too worried about the cheap oil that supports today's revenues. ...not to mention most of the rest of our population. We, as a nation, don't have the will to fight.

That said, the UK shouldn't be blaming us for what the Islamo-fascists bring to them. And their leadership should not be instigating accusations against us for the purpose of distracting them from their own problems. We have historically expected that political tactic in nations like China and Russia.
52 posted on 03/30/2007 6:45:53 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons (has-been))
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To: propertius
The guy reminds me of a former co-worker who moved back to the UK. I knew he was liberal when he was here, but now he's got this blog that's anti-Bush and anti-American. Fortunately for us he moved back, he was in the process of getting dual-citizenship. We really have to end that dual-citizen crap.
53 posted on 03/30/2007 6:50:16 AM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: brownsfan
Your name seems fitting.

Well, thank you.

As for the Madrid bombing...It was planned long before the Iraq war, so Madrid was probably inn for a terrorist attack regardless. Off course it played right into the Euro-appeasers (or Eurotwits if you will) hands at the time. Spain afterall seem to be the focus of some special attention from the islamics to to the history of al-andalus.

Cheers and a good weekend to you.

54 posted on 03/30/2007 6:51:10 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI - CSC)
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To: propertius

"We don’t have the means to engage in gunboat diplomacy with Iran"

The Brits defeated themselves.

They do have peachy keen "free" health care though.


55 posted on 03/30/2007 6:53:11 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: Teacher317

The 4th Estate beats its chest...


56 posted on 03/30/2007 6:54:31 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: pissant

I do believe the Daily Telegraph did support Operation Iraqi Freedom.

However, they seems to have been going somewhat wobblier since.

Cheers.


57 posted on 03/30/2007 6:55:21 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI - CSC)
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To: kots

Didn't Chuck Norris star in a movie about Carter's failed rescue attemt?


58 posted on 03/30/2007 6:56:35 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI - CSC)
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To: Eurotwit

You may be right. But some of the "conservative" media there has been as awful as the leftist press since.


59 posted on 03/30/2007 6:57:11 AM PDT by pissant (The new Fred Astaire: Rudy Rodham Bloomberg)
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To: Jhensy
We got your back, Britain!

No we don't! Bush is just as pussified as Blair! You honestestly think he posesses any guts to take on Iran? Please! He's allowed the Democraps and his lame duck status to politically cripple him as commander in chief. This is what you get when electing someone that is more concerned about getting along than doing whats right!

60 posted on 03/30/2007 6:57:38 AM PDT by Bommer (Global Warming: The only warming phenomena that occurs in the Summer and ends in the Winter!)
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