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Elite Terrorist Hunters in Iraq
Blog Washington Post ^ | 3-28-07 | William Arkin

Posted on 03/28/2007 5:52:56 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne

Elite Terrorist Hunters in Iraq U.S. "black" special operations forces in Iraq have conducted as many as 300 "takedown" operations, an activity that an influential retired general calls "simply magic."

McCaffrey's report is covered today in The Washington Post.

"The US Tier One special operations capability is simply magic. They are deadly in getting their target--with normally zero collateral damage--and with minimal friendly losses or injuries. Some of these assault elements have done 200-300 takedown operations at platoon level. The comprehensive intelligence system is phenomenal. We need to re-think how we view these forces. They are a national strategic system akin to a B1 bomber. We need to understand that the required investment level in the creation of these forces demands substantial dedicated UAV systems, intelligence, and communications resources. These special operations formations cannot by themselves win the nation's wars. However, with them we have a tool of enormous and decisive strategic significance which has crucial importance in the global war on terrorists."

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; seals; sof; wot
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Mr. Arkin (writer of this article) is a complete as$ - But some valuble info here that most American's need to appreciate....
1 posted on 03/28/2007 5:52:56 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

Proving my pet peeve. One well trained enlisted grunt is worth more than an entire stadium of generals or flag officer. The lowest ranking Spec Op grunt should be paid more than any officer above 0-3. And no JAG should ever make it above Major and should be paid what an E-1 makes.


2 posted on 03/28/2007 6:01:04 PM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: DevSix

The key to this whole statement is to turn out troops loose and watch what they can do. Stop micro-managing them. Hell, even the Romans knew this.


3 posted on 03/28/2007 6:01:11 PM PDT by RC2
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To: DevSix
I am not sure you should ever post anything written by Arkin but I AM SURE you should NEVER call him MR.
4 posted on 03/28/2007 6:01:30 PM PDT by msnimje (True Conservatives will not support a pro-abortion candidate.)
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To: DevSix

Now if we can get the same talent on the home front to counter the insurgency from the lame stream media.


5 posted on 03/28/2007 6:04:06 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: JeeperFreeper
And no JAG should ever make it above Major and should be paid what an E-1 makes.

Sounds like you got in trouble and are blaming the lawyers.

6 posted on 03/28/2007 6:13:04 PM PDT by davidwendell
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To: davidwendell
Sounds like you got in trouble and are blaming the lawyers.

No, he doesn't have to have been in that position at all. JAGs have F'ed up plenty in this WOT. More then you likely can even imagine......There are plenty of fine JAGs....but there is a sizable portion that have been disastrous for our efforts in this WOT. Directly and indirectly.

7 posted on 03/28/2007 6:17:33 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: davidwendell

Nope, no trouble. I just think that the miltary is for war. Lawyers are antithetical to that purpose. And in Iraq, JAGs have created literally pages of rules of engagemnet for the grunts to follow. The grunts are not told of all these rules. Americans have been killed as a result of these legal mandates. The grunts going outside the wire hesitate because they don't want to be brought up on charges and Marines die. Meanwhile, the JAGs and generals sit in their air conditioned offices inside some guarded compound.
Talk to some grunts coming home from places like Ramadi and Fallujah. There's a good blog called Captain's Quarters taking up this issue as well.


8 posted on 03/28/2007 6:25:19 PM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: DevSix

I love these guys. *sigh*


9 posted on 03/28/2007 6:41:25 PM PDT by RDTF (They should have put down Barbarella instead of Barbaro)
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To: JeeperFreeper; davidwendell; DevSix; Girlene
Link to Captain's Journal blog, The NCOs speak on Rules of Engagement. Well worth your time to check out.
10 posted on 03/28/2007 6:42:33 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines!)
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To: davidwendell
Sounds like you got in trouble and are blaming the lawyers.

More likely, was enlisted and speedily got sick and tired of all the games, political maneuvering, and just plain insufferable attitude of Royal Personage Present that almost all Zeros have, except for the small percentage of really good ones.

11 posted on 03/28/2007 6:52:35 PM PDT by Utilizer (What does not kill you... - can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: backhoe; CholeraJoe; Criminal Number 18F; DevSix; DJ Taylor; Future Snake Eater; GarySpFc; ...

SOCOM Ping


12 posted on 03/28/2007 7:07:58 PM PDT by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 11/5/1979.)
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To: DevSix

Arkin is not fit to lick the boots of the men that he derides in his columns. What's most telling is the comments from his sycophants. Pure commie agit-prop from the 60s.


13 posted on 03/28/2007 7:24:42 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: ASA Vet

This sounds like a judicious use of my taxpayer dollars.


14 posted on 03/28/2007 7:28:44 PM PDT by kdm68
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To: DevSix

Two points:

1. Note this by Arkin in the article: "These Task Force designations change periodically for "operational security" reasons and are used to identify specific country and/or unit deployments. According to military sources familiar with special operations organization, the current designations are Task Force 11-9, Task Force 16, and Task Force 373."

-- Can you believe this guy?

2. Read the comments at the Post. The triple foam moonbattery is incredible. I'm glad it's landing right in the Post's lap. While most of their journalists are lefties, they are basically still in the mainstream; even if they are at the left fringe of the mainstream. They are generally not insane. Therefore, as they are forced to read the unhinged moonbattery on their own website, day after day, they are gradually going to be pushed a bit to the right -- just to maintain their own sanity. At least that's my hope. I do admit that the growing derangement of the moonbats is making me a bit nervous.




15 posted on 03/28/2007 7:33:18 PM PDT by TyroneSlothrop
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To: DevSix

I wouldn't touch WaPostBlog link with a ten foot pole. A bunch of flaming leftists with wild imaginations, who won't leave the America they hate. They should be at hard labor on a chain gang.


16 posted on 03/28/2007 7:56:06 PM PDT by lilyred (In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. MLK)
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To: JeeperFreeper
I've said the same thing...

the JAG offs need to spend some time outside the wire and getting some hands on experience on rules of engagement that they want their fellow Marines to follow...

they are needed but all Marines are riflemen first... if they do a 12 month tour.... 6 outside the wire-6 inside the wire....

My vote is for the first 6 months to be outside the wire on active patrol....not convoy or escort duty either.

Let's see how these fine men react to a comrade blown in half and seeing the parties responsible for your best friends death just stand there with that stupid look on their faces..

Let them get into a nice little mortar barrage and see how "controlled" they are when they see a mortar team standing by a mosque...and instead of calling in arty or air...ya gotta go down there in person and kill something...

getting shot at by a sniper or having a buddy shot in the face then watching the sniper run into a minaret or mosque that is "verboten" to blow up....

lawyers suck, I'll vote with the Marine in the field 9 times out of 10...war sucks, people die, stuff gets blown up and sometimes you actually kill the enemy..

17 posted on 03/28/2007 10:54:41 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: DevSix
This would be the Delta Boys. Our premier door kickers...
18 posted on 03/29/2007 6:50:02 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: ASA Vet

This would be the Delta Boys. Our premier door kickers...


19 posted on 03/29/2007 6:50:22 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: ASA Vet
These are Arkin's final words in this piece and with them he turned it into just another of his anti-military ramblings..."but we know so little about what they actually do and what it is they have actually accomplished against what targets, it is hard to assess whether an OCF and OGA effort is the future of the "war" against terrorism or whether it is just counter-terrorism on a treadmill."
20 posted on 03/29/2007 9:01:49 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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