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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Baptism is an ordinace where a believer publicly professes their belief in Christ.

The Bible doesn't say that.

In every Biblical instance, Baptism always follows professed belief, and belief always comes after the Word.

No, there are examples in Acts where entire households are baptized. In Acts 2, St. Peter tells a Jewish audience used to circumcizing babies at 8 days of age, "The promise is to you and to your children".

The fathers say that infant baptism was a practice received from the apostles.

You ought to stick with what the Bible says, and not what the Catholic church says.

You ought to stick with what the Bible actually says, and not how your Baptist tradition understands it.

51 posted on 03/27/2007 12:01:17 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion

>> The Bible doesn't say that.<<

Indeed it does. Mark 1:4, Acts 18:8, Acts 8:12, Acts 2:41, Acts 8:36, Acts 22:16, Romans 6:3-5, Mark 16:16

In every Biblical reference Belief ALWAYS precedes Baptism.

>> No, there are examples in Acts where entire households are baptized.<<

You’ll need to get specific, because each case is to be looked at specifically. The RCC doesn’t do that, instead lumps them all together. Scriptural exegesis is not a strong point of the RCC.

If you’re referring to Lydia in Acts 16, there’s no mention of whether or not she even had kids. Since she was a trader “her household” more than likely meant her servants who would travel with her.

If you’re referring to the jailer in 16:30, note that their response is first “believe and be saved” then his household is preached to, and they are baptized. it is obvious that the holy spirit worked in his house at that time, and brought salvation to all. Belief first, then baptism. (It’s also worthy to note that infants are not mentioned, so we have no way of knowing how old the members of his house were.)

If you’re referring to Acts 11:14 – it’s an instruction for the newly saved father to bring the good news to his family. Read verse 15 – “and as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell upon them”. Belief first, then baptism.

>> In Acts 2, St. Peter tells a Jewish audience used to circumcizing babies at 8 days of age, "The promise is to you and to your children". <<

Keep reading: “and everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

God calls, we respond – not the other way around.

>> You ought to stick with what the Bible actually says, and not how your Baptist tradition understands it.<<

Ball’s in your court to scripturally refute my position. I await your response.


96 posted on 03/27/2007 12:44:44 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("All that hath life and breath, come now with praises before Him.")
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To: Campion
The fathers say that infant baptism was a practice received from the apostles.

Do you have a cite readily available?

287 posted on 03/28/2007 1:27:51 PM PDT by jude24
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