Posted on 03/27/2007 6:32:11 AM PDT by pissant
also(in agreement with); Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Al Gore and Barney Frank...
Interestingly, that's a good idea.
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Now ya see, 'cultural conservatives' are but one type of conservative. So when they say, "If you don't agree with us on this issue, even if you're a fiscal conservative, you're not a conservative" that's rather arrogant of them. That's them trying to redefine what 'conservative' means.
The "only real conservatives" club. ;-D
It's a pretty good yardstick for a centerpoint of such. And one tends to be less conservative the further to the left of the platform one goes.
Addressing NARAL twice is quite a bit to the left of the platform. Appearing at Brady Center gun control rallies is well to the left of the platform. Pushing gay rights is to the left of the platform. Endorsing human-caused global warming is to the left of the platform.
:-D
I like and respect JimRob. But he doesn't get to redefine political conservatives as liberals anymore than anyone else does.
You see, there's another philosophy from your own. It's called 'political conservatism' or 'fiscal conservatism'.
To the rest of the world, that's "conservative".
Now if the traditionalists wish to redefine 'politically conservative' as "liberal", as some of you folks are so desperately trying to do, don't be surprised if others are amused by your attempts to change the language to your own ends.
Boy, you sound more ridiculous with each post. Keep lying to yourself, but leave the rest of us alone.
Well just realize, this is not a universal belief.
There is this concept you seem unfamiliar with -- 'political' or 'fiscal' conservatism. People who believe in lower taxes, smaller govt, etc, are "conservatives" to the rest of the world.
People like Rudy.
Now I understand, you want to twist the language to your own ends. Now, that kind of person is "liberal".
Which is fine, I can call a cat a fish if I want, it's a free country.
Just don't expect others to understand what you're talking about sometimes!
Rudy and Hillary, What's the difference?
I am given the choice of driving off a cliff at 60 miles an hour, or driving off a cliff at 30 miles an hour.
I did not call you a scumbag and a liar as you called Rudy. I might have more politely indicated that you have (how shall we say it?) foolish ideas and a poor sense of discrimination.
I see that you can dish it out but cannot take even a small fraction of your own vitriol. I guess that puts you in the whiny, cranky, morally vain wing of the conservative movement. I suspect you will be voting for the 2008 version of Perot when the Republicans do not nominate a candidate who meets your standards.
That's how we got 8 years of Bill. I guess you and your ilk will be giving us 8 years of Hillary. I really hope that the counrty can survive it. Whether my blood pressure can do so until retirement is an open question.
Your first point creates a distinction without a difference, except perhaps in someone's feverish imagination.
Rudy addressed NARAL because he was mayor of one of the most liberal, feminist cities in America. Do you have a record of the lefty groups that Ronnie addressed out of political necessity?
He addressed NARAL after he already won a second term, which means it was not politically necessary.
Oh, and he praised Margaret Sanger during his 2000 speech to NARAL - was that politically necessary? Nice try, though. You're about the only one who has even tried to attempt defending Rudy's speeches to NARAL. Most just ignore the issue in hopes it will go away. Except the speeches are on Rudy's official record.
If some "conservatives" want to be used and manipulated by a candidate that, of course, is their business.
He was planning to mount his 2008 run without them, but Rudeo has clearly discovered he can't win without conservatives, and is taking the necessary pragmatic steps....no matter how distasteful that is to his core liberal values.
No conservative that I know would ever say (as Rudeo said here) that abortion "is a decision between a woman, her doctor, her family, and her God." That is the classic abortion-on-demand statement which means Rudeo's still on his knees, puckered up to his pro-abortion campaign contributors.
Given that gravity will accelerate you well past either starting speed, what's the point?
"I am a christian first, conservative second, rebublican third"
Well said
Well, my point is that that is how conservative is defined on this website, so the posters here should not have to listen to insults from Rudy supporters.
But, I think you are the one doing the redefining. Libertarians want to push themselves under the conservative umbrella, but that doesn't make them true conservatives.
LMAO! You support a pro-abortion, anticonstitutional liberal candidate on a conservative websitee and yet say I have "foolish ideas and a poor sense of discrimination".
OMG! I can't see any reason to carry on further discussion with someone so uninformed and who has no base of education, knowledge or reality.
I'd call you a troll, but that would require motive, and I know you lack the cognitive capacity for that.
Have a nice day in your little LaLaland.
Why do Rudy supporters keep saying that? We do not support her in any way and it is crazy for y'all to keep saying that. Is that the best you can do?
I just got a call from them wanting money. I told the young lady that I would not give them any until they started acting like the people we had voted for. She was nice and did not give me any trouble. She just said have a good day and hung up.
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