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Why Iran Seized the British Marines
TIME ^ | Friday, Mar. 23, 2007 | HOWARD CHUA-EOAN

Posted on 03/23/2007 12:51:40 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

The most ominous detail about Iran's seizure of 15 British Royal Marines in the Shatt-al-Arab waterway on Friday morning is that the servicemen were reportedly taken into custody by the navy of the Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).

The IRGC is a powerful, separate branch of the Iranian armed forces. Soaked with nationalist ideology, it has grown into a state within a state in Iran, with its own naval, air and ground forces, parallel to official government institutions. The IRGC is directly controlled by Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei, the ultimate font of religious and political power in Iran.

The IRGC also has its own intelligence arm and commands irregular forces such as the basij — a voluntary paramilitary group affiliated with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad — and the Quds force, which has been accused by the U.S. of supplying material to Iraqi insurgents bent on killing American soldiers.

The IRGC is also known for its clandestine activities including logistical support for militant organizations like Lebanon's Hizballah, which it helped to set up in the 1980s, and several Shi'a militia groups in Iraq. The IRGC's activities are often a thorn in the side of Iran's Foreign Ministry, which is forced to repair the ruptures in Tehran's diplomatic relations with countries the Guard has inflamed with its self-directed adventures. Nevertheless, it has been one of Iran's main instrument in projecting power and influence over the last few decades.

Because the IRGC's actions are always interwoven with the religious-nationalist ideology of Iran's hardliners, extricating the British may be complicated.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: iran; uk
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To: LibKill

Iranian soldiers during a march in 2006

81 posted on 03/23/2007 4:38:42 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: Beckwith

The United States delivered 79 F-14 Tomcat fighter jets to Iran before 1979.

82 posted on 03/23/2007 4:40:20 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: DCPatriot

Exact same comment I made on another thread.

And it's the standard Arab trick: "don't talk to me, it's those other guys." Then they all go sip sweet tea together and snicker and snicker about how the dumb infidels fell for it.

Maybe it's time for us to clandestinely fund a matching group that just happens to have its own air force, navy, and army. Every time something like this happens, they could respond with force while, at the same time, the US could say, 'gosh we just don't have any control over those guys, sorry 'bout your city'.

I have a feeling that if the Brits respond firmly, a whole new 'line of communication with the guards' will suddenly be discovered by the Iranian government.

In a way, the west brought this on by letting them get away with hiding behind the Hezzies in Lebanon. They've apparently decided this whole 'acting through proxies' thing is cool.


83 posted on 03/23/2007 4:43:26 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: MinorityRepublican
Judging by the last two photos, the persians are not easy meat.

We still have to back up our British cousins.

It's that or admit we are damnable ingrates.

84 posted on 03/23/2007 4:44:11 PM PDT by LibKill ("RUDY GIULIANI" is just "HILLARY CLINTON" misspelled and wearing a dress.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Brits find themselves in Israel's position.

The world's caving in to Hezbollah is coming home to roost.

85 posted on 03/23/2007 4:45:23 PM PDT by cookcounty (Subpoena Schumer's emails in the criminal DSCC fraud case! We need to know how high it went.)
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To: LibKill
Judging by the last two photos, the persians are not easy meat.

The time has come to deal with Iran. We must be prepared to make sacrifices and heavy casualties. We cannot continue to put off an inevitable encounter with Iran.

Let us strike Islamofascists at our will!

86 posted on 03/23/2007 4:46:00 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: cookcounty
Brits find themselves in Israel's position.

We are fortunate that we, Americans are in a better position than our cousins. They have Londonistan, after all.

87 posted on 03/23/2007 4:46:57 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: LibKill

Iranian Alert - April 15, 2006 - Iran boasts it can defeat the US military

88 posted on 03/23/2007 4:49:57 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: quantfive
Temporarily Shut down Kharg island (Almost all Iran's oil is exported from this one facility) until they are released.

Plus it will give practice for might have to be done later.

89 posted on 03/23/2007 4:50:03 PM PDT by cookcounty (Subpoena Schumer's emails in the criminal DSCC fraud case! We need to know how high it went.)
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To: OldGuard1

Heh heh, good one. I haven't seen the movie yet, looking forward to it.


90 posted on 03/23/2007 4:50:52 PM PDT by Sender (Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The time has come to deal with Iran. We must be prepared to make sacrifices and heavy casualties. We cannot continue to put off an inevitable encounter with Iran.

Let us strike Islamofascists at our will!

Yes! MUCH better than waiting for them to hit us again.

Also, we owe a solemn debt of honor to the Brits. It will honor us to help get their men back.

91 posted on 03/23/2007 4:51:51 PM PDT by LibKill ("RUDY GIULIANI" is just "HILLARY CLINTON" misspelled and wearing a dress.)
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To: LibKill
Yes! MUCH better than waiting for them to hit us again.

President Bush should strike Iran while he still can.

Screw what the Democrats think. Let them impeach him.

It's impossible to convict President Bush thanks to Senator Lieberman and the like in the Senate.

92 posted on 03/23/2007 4:53:53 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: MinorityRepublican
It's going to take the Iranians killing many innocent Americans or an out-and-out massive invasion into Iraq with mass US military casualties (ala Korean War) for people to get the point. These nutbags want to die.

Even if Amanuttajob brings a bomb over here himself, lights the fuse and screams "death to America", the Dems will never blame them for anything and fight for their right to kill Americans because Bush is in office.
93 posted on 03/23/2007 4:54:29 PM PDT by newnhdad
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To: MinorityRepublican

Is this punishment because the Brits pulled out of Iraq?


94 posted on 03/23/2007 4:55:12 PM PDT by cavador
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To: navyguy

I miss the old days. Didn't it seem that an act of war, used to really be an act of war?


95 posted on 03/23/2007 4:57:32 PM PDT by carolinalivin
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To: Dog

bttt


96 posted on 03/23/2007 5:11:36 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (I am PRO-VICTORY!!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

IRANIAN PRESIDENT SUDDENLY CANCELS U.S. VISIT
May Have Feared Arrest Upon Arrival For Hostage Crisis

May Have Feared British Military Interception Of His Aircraft

DENVER -- The leader of Iran's terrorist regime, Pres. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, suddenly cancelled his United Nations visit scheduled for this weekend despite his receiving a visa from the Bush administration. The Iranian government claims the visit was cancelled because the visa came in too late for Ahmadinejad to go, but that holds no water because the UN meeting hasn't even had the time firmed up yet. Now the rest of the story . . .

Fifteen British Royal Marines and sailors are being held hostage by Iran. Gunny's sources say Ahmadinejad may have cancelled because he feared arrest upon arrival in NYC. British Prime Minister Tony Blair is reported to be outraged and may have called President Bush to request Ahmadinejad's arrest. Word of the possible plan may have gotten back to Iran or Ahmadinejad may have smelled the deal.

Another inside source reports to the Gunny that the Iranian president may have feared a British military intercept of his aircraft, which could be forced down somewhere so that British SAS commandos could capture Ahmadinejad.

The Gunny is working to try to verify the reports through independent sources.

Developing . . .


97 posted on 03/23/2007 5:19:41 PM PDT by GunnyBob
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To: MinorityRepublican
extricating the British may be complicated.

Not really. We just invoke the Iraqi exit strategy of sacking Iran.
98 posted on 03/23/2007 5:37:58 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: britemp

Fair point. Jimmy Carter enabled that entire affair. And, frankly, we haven't been any better.


99 posted on 03/23/2007 5:42:34 PM PDT by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: Levante

I agree completely.


100 posted on 03/23/2007 5:43:23 PM PDT by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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