Posted on 03/20/2007 2:02:43 PM PDT by Diago
During his eight days as a part-time high school biology teacher, Kris Helphinstine included Biblical references in material he provided to students and gave a PowerPoint presentation that made links between evolution, Nazi Germany and Planned Parenthood.
That was enough for the Sisters School Board, which fired the teacher Monday night for deviating from the curriculum on the theory of evolution.
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I am hardly buying your overreaching spin. When you take the time to read my post with objectivity you will see what my post actually says. It is about the godless government school monopoly.
The context of the exchange you injected that comment into was not. If you jump into the middle of an exchange with another poster, I assume your comments will be in the same context as that discussion. Do you think that is an unreasonable assumption to make?
The Islamic view of science is indistinguishable from the fundamentalist Christian view of science.
You protesteth far too much so I must assume that what really offended you was my view that the big centralized government school monopoly should be defunded and phased out of existance.
What the hell has Hitler got to do with evolution? Oh that's right, if Darwin had never existed, or if the discovery of natural selection had been suppressed, Nazism would never have arisen! Hitler would never have thought of using the brand-new European phenomenon of anti-semitism (it and all other kinds of racism and genocide never existed before Darwin, you see) and demagoguery to rise to power.
This numbnuts deserved to be fired. Good riddance.
What incorrect assumption did you think you were correcting? The discussion you jumped into the middle of was over the characterization of science and scientists. The phrase "government school monopoly" or words to that effect do not appear anywhere in the discussion leading up to the post you replied to.
Evolution is a well-supported theory about the history and development of life on earth. That evil or misguided men have twisted or misused that theory to support or shape their political or social projects does not mean that it is wrong or should not be taught in science class.
"What in the world does Nazi Germany have to do with evolution?"
Probably brought up evolution themes of "survival of the fittest" and drew parallels to Nazism's eugenics. Planned Parenthood founder was a follower of eugenics and admirer of the Nazis. She advocated removal of "human weeds" from the evolutionary process.
Once again, you protesteth far too much which betrays a hidden motive. I will tell you once again to read my post, it is about defunding and closing down the Big government public school monopoly.
At lest regarding the Nazis (I'm no expert on Planned Parenthood) that claim is extremely overblown, and can only be made in the most superficial fashion.
The were pre-Nazi figures who incorporated evolution into a system of "scientific" racism (e.g. Ernst Haeckel) but the Nazis had no sustained and systematic interest in Darwin or evolution. Sure, they mentioned it and occasionally appealed to it in a kind of naive "survival of the fittest" form, but it is all but absent from explicit expositions of their racial theories.
In fact the Nazis were creationists, albeit of a "mystical" sort that wouldn't be attractive to most modern fundamentalists. They believed in a kind of "racial soul" that was carried "in the blood". Hitler held this view at least in a general sense. It's most literal form of can be found in the most complete and authoritative exposition of Nazi race theory: Alfred Rosenberg's The Myth of the Twentieth Century.
The Creator made each race separately with their distinctive "racial souls" which gave them different characters and destinies. (The Aryans' destiny, of course, was to conquer and rule over other, lesser races.)
The purity of these race souls and been sullied since the creation by race mixing. The Nazis' aim then was precisely to REVERSE evolution. They wanted to purify "the blood" and thereby restore the primeval purity of the racial soul as it was originally created.
So you felt like jumping in, and were just too lazy to scroll up to the top of the thread and reply to the poster of the original article, and you post didn't really have anything to do with the post you replied to?
If you are going to teach in a government school, you have to stick to godlessness. You cannot mention God or anything from the traditional biblical perspective that has served as the underpinning of American civilization for four hundred years.
And in a government school, whose version of which religion should govern the science classes? Or how about Math class? You know, don't you, that the zero is a Muslim invention? It might be interesting if Muslim teachers decided to teach the Koranic version of science, or if Hindu teachers decided to make sure the curriculum didn't contradict the Vedas.
For the entire history of the country until quite recently you could mention God and refer directly to biblical principles concerning the origins of man because that was the kind of schools that communities "freely" chose to create since the beginning of this country.
And if communities "freely" choose to teach that down is up, you're okay with that, right?
This is no longer the case, for you must now lead children to believe that science has proven that the only reasonable explanation for their existence must be given by naturalistic science, for they are the ultimate holders of all truth about past events that they did not observe or test and the Bible is merely a book of nonsense.
I don't know whether this is ignorance or lies. Either way, it's wrong. Science is about naturalistic explanations, but as yet there is not scientifically accepted theory of origins.
Do you really want the Bible in science class? Then you'd better be ready to have scientists subject the Bible to scientific scrutiny. Be careful what you wish for. Should we teach that roses are red because God wanted to remind us of the blood of Jesus? What color were roses before 33AD?
Why is the level of scientific knowledge in the Bible indistinguishable from the average man's knowledge of science when the Bible was written? Why didn't God drop a hint, say, about penicillin?
Kids need to learn science. If you want to live in the tenth century, fine. Enjoy life with the Islamists -- they're your allies in this.
It was only recently that liberals have used the supreme court to overcome the will of most parents in the name of their own secular progressive revisionism.
The only solution is to phase out and discontinue the godless government school monopoly and let the parents choose a private godless school if that is their choice. At the same time the large majority of parents will get to choose a school that they favor as well. Goodbye to the forced godless indoctrination.
Whose version of which God should be in the public schools?
Universal private schooling is a different issue entirely. But it should be noted that those who support schools that willfully distort science end up penalizing primarily their children.
It is the only just solution, because the government schools are a political monopoly as dictated by the NEA and the ACLU playbook.
I'm not here to defend public schools, but I do object to attempts to inject anyone's peculiar reading of the Bible into science.
You post has been addressed. Happy now?
It's Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show!!!!
Yes, might be a good career move.
It certainly shows the PC Tolerance that the loving Left wants to indoctrinate our kids with. As a teacher of some 45 years, I have mangaged to always skip the PC malarky and call a spade a spade. Of course, my colleagues though I was a nut but I am still doing my thing. And as a pastor, I teach and preach the Gospel not the tolerant PC wishy washy malarky that the Left wants the Church to teach. Odd that the Left which says it speaks for freedom is the one which is the totalitarian in nature! Ha.
Yes, the Left certainly isn't about freedom. It uses the principle when convenient, trashes it when not.
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