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To: James W. Fannin
Sure, why should we have to use ID's when dealing with the federal government. Word alone should be good enough, right?

Yeah, especially when it's so hard to tell us apart now. Better get right on it. After all, our drivers' licenses and passports are so easy to forge. It's a cottage industry, ya know. A real boon to illegal immigrants, since nothing much else is stopping them but the need for a stolen social security number.

Answer the question.

Should no ID be required when dealing with the federal government (on banking matters, SSI, voting(state government), etc), or should the best most fool-proof ID be required?

10 posted on 03/18/2007 9:14:43 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
The Federal Government the Founder's set up didn't require ID. It is only through the invention of entitlements and an oppressive tax system is such an ID necessitated.

Now, further to your point, MO does have an ID law (Show-Me proof) now that makes us prove who we are to get our licenses renewed. We object Fed's mandating it and mangaing the database. Each state doing things its own way, remember that?

11 posted on 03/18/2007 9:19:51 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: FreeReign
The Federal Government the Founder's set up didn't require ID. It is only through the invention of entitlements and an oppressive tax system is such an ID necessitated.

And, I forgot, and absolute refusal to secure the borders.

12 posted on 03/18/2007 9:20:47 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: FreeReign

I named several types of ID that used to be adequate before 30 years of massive illegal immigration. No ID is fool-proof. How much money are you willing to spend? The Real-ID legislation is starting to threaten state budgets. How much money can the federal government dictate that the states spend?


13 posted on 03/18/2007 9:21:32 AM PDT by James W. Fannin
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To: FreeReign

First off the Federal government does not own the banks so any ID needed by the bank should be a company policy rather than a government policy. Bank of america was allowing credit card issuance without a social security card. Voting is a state function so a state issued ID card is all that is necessary. No federal ID card because elections are state operated.

The most fool proof ID is the one that is not displayed at every tom dick and harry checkpoint. Each and every time a ID is displayed opens the door for potential fraud.
Putting othe social security number on checks as a means of identification was totally stupid and the requirement wasn't stoped until the numbers became criminal enterprise.

Or would the most foolproof ID be a microchip implant that is scanned at random intervals to make sure you are where you are supposed to be according to the federal government?
Missouri just revamped their drivers licenses a few years back and they are working just fine. Since we have been US residents for all of our lives (most of us anyhow) the feds shouldn't be worried about tracking us when they can't even track expired visas, work permits, and student permits granted to foreigners. Last time I noticed, it was foreigners who crashed the WTC and declared jihad on America. Americans and their state of residence can keep track of citizens just fine. The feds need to focus on what the feds do best, which in actuality is very little.


19 posted on 03/21/2007 10:04:57 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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