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Giuliani doubters in for Rudy awakening
The Boston Herald ^ | 03/18/2007 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 03/18/2007 1:31:23 AM PDT by JohnSheppard

The same Beltway experts who declared Sen. John McCain of Arizona the GOP front-runner, even as he under-polled fellow presidential contender Rudolph Giuliani, now parrot equally dodgy concepts. When Republicans meet “the real Rudy,” they will abandon New York’s former mayor like cattle fleeing a burning barn. Then, the wobbly Washington wisdom continues, Giuliani’s three marriages, and his less-than-solidly-right-wing views on gays, guns and gametes will torpedo his buoyant presidential hopes.

These seers now detect unhappiness with the GOP aspirants. They cite a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll in which 26 percent of Republican primary voters were dissatisfied with Giuliani, McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, among others. However, 56 percent called these choices satisfactory. This mirrors the 57 percent of conservative Republicans who preferred Giuliani, versus 31 percent for McCain. More broadly, Republicans backed Giuliani by 38 percent to McCain’s 24, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s 10, Romney’s 8, and 2 percent each for Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.

But what if voters like Giuliani better upon understanding his pre-9/11 performance? Educating Republicans on his complete mayoral record - and soon - may be Giuliani’s best bet for extinguishing the lingering grumbling about his candidacy.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bostonherald.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; anybodybutrudy; closethisthread; deroymurdock; duncanhunter; giuliani; gungrabber; infiltrators; insurgency; medialies; norudys; oldnews; rino; rudy; rudygasm; rudygiuliani; wasteofbandwidth
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To: JohnSheppard
Beyond these socially conservative victories, Giuliani governed as a Reaganesque supply-sider:

Giuliani scrapped three taxes and slashed 20 others, lowering Gotham’s tax burden by 17 percent and saving individual and business taxpayers $9.8 billion.

While inflation averaged 3.9 percent, Giuliani’s average spending grew 2.9 percent annually. If the departed GOP Congress were that fiscally disciplined, the next federal budget would be $2.275 trillion - $625 billion cheaper than proposed.

While hiring 12 percent more cops and 12.8 percent more teachers, Giuliani sliced other positions 17.2 percent. Overall, the municipal head count fell 3.1 percent.

Fiscal conservative. Law and order conservative. I like it.

21 posted on 03/18/2007 5:12:25 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: KDD

Actually, the Boston Herald is considered to be the conservative newspaper. It used to be owned by Rupert Murdoch until Teddie Kennedy forced him to sell it.

Still, a pretty darn good newspaper.


22 posted on 03/18/2007 5:19:22 AM PDT by DeerfieldObserver
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To: azhenfud

Principles are very important. Right now politics is in command with attacks flying everywhere and especially on blogs like this one.

I'm analyzing while realizing the situation conservatives are in.

Right now we lack a dynamic leader who articulates conservative principle consistently in a way that trumps the liberal media and can win an election.


23 posted on 03/18/2007 5:20:34 AM PDT by Nextrush ( Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high.....McCain......")
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To: Peach
Speaking of Law & Order conservative, did you read the WSJ editorial from John Fund yesterday? If you haven't, you should. In fact someone posted in the forum -- the title of the piece is "lights, camera, candidate" if my memory serves correctly.

Look, I could support a Gulliani presidency but his gun control and abortion views are very tough to reconcile...so I will probably back Brownback in the primaries or Thompson if he decides to enter. But I will not throw Rudy under the bus if he becomes the candidate. Imagine a Democrat held legislative and executive branch for just one moment. Suddenly those fears that many FReepers have about party purity with someone like a "president Gulliani" and his liberal agenda, are greatly diminished.

24 posted on 03/18/2007 5:27:40 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: JohnSheppard; Admin Moderator
Old, duplicate post

Posted by areafiftyone
On News/Activism 03/16/2007 7:05:33 AM CDT · 146 replies · 1,033+ views

Human Events ^ | 3/16/07 | Deroy Murdock

The same Beltway experts who declared Sen. John McCain (R.-Ariz.) the GOP frontrunner, even as he under-polled fellow presidential contender Rudolph W. Giuliani, now parrot equally dodgy concepts.

The Search Function Isn't Broke
25 posted on 03/18/2007 5:31:19 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Peach
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1802236/posts

The WSJ editorial about Fred Thompson. Great stuff in there!

26 posted on 03/18/2007 5:35:13 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: LowCountryJoe

Thanks; I'll read it.

The more I read about Rudy, the bigger a supporter I become. But I'm voting for whichever candidate wins the primary.


27 posted on 03/18/2007 5:36:49 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Halgr; panaxanax
"Anyone that supports a liberal candidate that is pro-gay, pro-late term abortion and anti-2nd Amendment should not be allowed to call themselves a FReeper."

You said: AMEN AMEN!!!!!

May I add a couple of AMEN'S to yours? AMEN AMEN!!!!!!

"Never in my worst nightmares would I believe Republicans, much less FReepers, would willingly go along with the wholesale slaughter of our helpless unborn generations. Shameful. May God forgive us." ~ Jim Robinson ~
28 posted on 03/18/2007 5:37:58 AM PDT by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: JohnSheppard

Rudy doubters may be in for a shock on election day, but Rudy supporters will be in for a shock after he's in office a while.


29 posted on 03/18/2007 5:39:01 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: Condor51; JohnSheppard; Admin Moderator
I thought Rudy supporters were against spam? Oh, that rule only applies to those who don't support Rudy--I forgot.
30 posted on 03/18/2007 5:41:01 AM PDT by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: JohnSheppard

Snore.

When there's a primary (hint - NEXT YEAR!) we'll see what we'll see.


31 posted on 03/18/2007 5:41:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I don't know you, but I love who you seem to be.")
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To: freedomfiter2
"...but Rudy supporters will be in for a shock after he's in office a while."

You are so right. They have noooooooo idea.
32 posted on 03/18/2007 5:42:37 AM PDT by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Caipirabob
I'm with you all the way regarding Rudy. I will support Rudy if he get the nomination but if we think Bush was not conservative enough, wait till we see President Rudy. All I see in Rudy is a liberal who hates terrorists (as all liberals should considering the terrorists will take out the liberals first thing if they get the chance). Maybe we'll see a Rudy/Lieberman ticket, they are about the same.
33 posted on 03/18/2007 5:45:45 AM PDT by razzle
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To: JohnSheppard
Rudy and Hitlery have WAY TOO MUCH in common..
also with; Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Barney Frank..
34 posted on 03/18/2007 5:52:34 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: JohnSheppard

Rudy is not the kind of candidate Republicans should support and the more is exposed about his background, the deader his chances at seeing the White House.

Rudy might get the votes of die-hard Republicans and RINOS. bu the conservatives in the party will not support him in the general election and conservative independents won't either.

Liberal independents and Dems will support the Democrat candidate.

Selling Giuliani as a Republican is as stupid as trying to sell Hillery as a "moderate".


35 posted on 03/18/2007 5:52:42 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: dmw

Other than South Carolina the states that have early primaries (New Hampshire, Michigan, California, Iowa, Pennsylvania)are all states that are controlled by the moderate wing (OK, RINO wing) of the Republican Party. While the rank and file might be conservative, the big money flows to the RINO candidates. Unless conservatives can unite behind one candidate and not fragment their votes between four, the chances of Rudy getting the nomination is almost a given. Right now there is no candidate conservatives will rally around to the extent it will make a difference.


36 posted on 03/18/2007 5:53:21 AM PDT by Russ
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To: dmw
**** I thought Rudy supporters were against spam? Oh, that rule only applies to those who don't support Rudy--I forgot. ***

Well... The Rudy Spam, like posting every sighting of him using a public rest room is one thing - like obnoxious and nauseating (wait .. is that two things?).

But reposting two day old articles and threads and needlessly wasting bandwidth is another. That will NOT go unchallenged!

:-)

37 posted on 03/18/2007 5:54:30 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: ZULU

Selling Giuliani as a Republican is as stupid as trying to sell Hillery as a "moderate".

If Rudy is a conservative then Hillary is center right.


38 posted on 03/18/2007 5:54:55 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: tkathy
A rudy presidency would be a huge victory for republicans who care about this country being destroyed.

Yes, but most of us don't want it destroyed. We'd rather fix it.

39 posted on 03/18/2007 5:59:51 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Exactly. Rudy has a real slick propaganda machine working for him in the media and in forums like this one, trying to convince gullable people that he is Ronald Reagan risen from the grave.

He is, rather, Nelson Rockefeller and Jacob Javits returned from the dead - another radical northeastnern libneral with a Democrat past, no Republican credentials and no experience whatsoever in military matters or foreign affairs,


40 posted on 03/18/2007 6:07:29 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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