Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Uproar Hits Fla. Confederate Flag Show
AJC ^ | March 17, 2007 | STEPHEN MAJORS

Posted on 03/17/2007 4:30:38 PM PDT by groanup

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — When artist John Sims sees the Confederate flag, he sees "visual terrorism," and a symbol of a racist past. When Robert Hurst sees the flag, he is filled with pride as the descendant of a soldier who fought for the South during the Civil War.

Their differences have flared into a war of words, catching a local museum in the middle.

An art exhibit by artist John Sims, entitled 'The Proper Way to Hang a Confederate Flag,' is show on display at the Mary Brogan Museum of Art and Science, Friday, March 16, 2007, in Tallahassee, Fla. The exhibit has sparked controversy with the local chapter of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and they have asked the museum to remove it.

Hurst walked into the Mary Brogan Museum of Art and Science this past week and saw an exhibit by Sims, including a Confederate flag hung from a noose on a 13-foot gallows in a display titled "The Proper Way to Hang a Confederate Flag."

Hurst asked the museum to remove the display, along with 13 other pieces by Sims.

The museum, however, announced Friday it is standing by Sims' work, on display since Feb. 26, because it wants to inspire dialogue in the community about a symbol that engenders a diversity of strong responses.

"There's a balance between the nature of the art that we show and the outcome that we seek, which is to promote dialogue and conversation, and have you maybe think of something in a slightly different way," said Chucha Barber, the museum's executive director.

Hurst, commander of the local Sons of Confederate Veterans chapter, said Friday he has lost respect for the museum, calling the display of Sims' work "offensive, objectionable and tasteless."

(Excerpt) Read more at ajc.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: confederacey; neoconfederates
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 261 next last
To: CodeMasterPhilzar
Grin, who was it that said something like "I disagree with what you say, sir. But I will defend to the death your right to say it!" ???

I think that was Voltaire, originally.

41 posted on 03/18/2007 5:47:24 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: ReignOfError

Commander Hurst is a Great PR Agent for the Artist and Muesuem.


42 posted on 03/18/2007 5:48:19 AM PDT by trumandogz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Caipirabob
Hardly, since by nature they resisted tyrannical Federal oppression. Democrats eat that like candy.

Unfortunately, it seems that a lot of Republicans eat a similar diet.

43 posted on 03/18/2007 5:48:58 AM PDT by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: groanup
My opinion on the Confederate flag is that if waving the flag is all it takes to get the whiny liberal PC crowd in a tither, then I believe that I might wave one. Just watching them foam at the mouth is good entertainment.
44 posted on 03/18/2007 5:51:37 AM PDT by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gondramB
If burning the American flag is protected speech then certainly other flags should not be given more protection.

I doubt that law is constitutional.

No way it survives a court challenge. There's a legit public safety interest in limiting when, where and how much stuff you can burn -- but once you ban an act purely because of its expressive content, you're treading into first amendment territory.

45 posted on 03/18/2007 5:53:09 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: tkathy

Lest you forget, slavery did just fine under the stars and stripes for decades. It only existed in the vicinity of the Confederate flag for four.


46 posted on 03/18/2007 5:53:11 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Smokin' Joe
Four years is not that long of a time, unless you were a slave in the Confederacy.
47 posted on 03/18/2007 5:58:29 AM PDT by trumandogz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: trumandogz
I know of one slave my ancestors owned. He was a Jesuit priest who sold himself to my ancestor during the protestant reformation in Maryland (1730's) and thus became property of the Manor Lord and untouchable under English Common Law. Otherwise, he would have been hanged or worse for being a member of the Catholic Clergy.

When things settled down he bought himself back.

Not all slaves were black. Not all owners were white, and not all owners treated their slaves like the fictional accounts in the abolitionist novel Uncle Tom's Cabin.

So I reckon if you were a slave four years was 1461 days, much like it was for anyone else, anywhere else.

The grand myth is that somehow most Southern slaves were treated any worse than Northern ones.

The war was over taxes, not slavery.

48 posted on 03/18/2007 6:11:58 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Smokin' Joe
I think I understand what you are trying to say. In other words that besides being forced to work all day and seeing your children sold off to the highest bidder that slavery was not all that bad of an institution.


I think the last time I heard that one was from an 89 year old uncle from Mississippi back in 1967.
49 posted on 03/18/2007 6:20:36 AM PDT by trumandogz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Smokin' Joe
Lest you forget, slavery did just fine under the stars and stripes for decades. It only existed in the vicinity of the Confederate flag for four.

The Klan used it far longer. The reason some folks find the Confederate Battle Flag offensive has a lot less to do with Jeff Davis than with Jim Crow. The folks claiming that the flag's symbolism is being tarred today would be a lot more convincing if they complained about it being abused then.

I, personally, do not find the CBF offensive, but I understand why others do. And I don't think it is a suitable emblem for any of the 50 states, because it represents only some of our people and only a sliver of our history. I'm from and in Georgia, so I've spent a lot more time on the issue than other folks likely have. I won't rehash the interminable flag mess down here.

On the other hand, I believe it is perfectly appropriate on the graves of Confederate dead, including several of my ancestors, and on war memorials, including those on courthouse or capitol grounds. Where it is a historical symbol in historical context.

All that said, some other observations:

1) My dad went to grad school at FSU. Tallahassee isn't exactly bursting with culture. Dad jokes (at least I think he's joking) that he and my mom used to road-trip across the state line to Dothan for the nightlife.

B) The exhibit in question (according to the museum's site here) is part of an exhibit titled "AfroProvocations." The name pretty much speaks for itself. It's designed to be a sharp poke n the ribs, and Hurst is giving the artist exactly what he wants.

III) The museum is hyping the upcoming 5th annual Florida wine festival. I'm hoping that means a wine festival held in Florida, and not a festival for Florida wines. I've spent a lot of time in Florida, and most of its tap water is undrinkable on the best day.

50 posted on 03/18/2007 6:22:28 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: trumandogz

Yup. Where the work in question might have been simply gimmicky, now it's officially "controversial." If you want to get folks off their butts and into a museum, that's the word to use.


51 posted on 03/18/2007 6:25:17 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: groanup
What were colonialists

Americans
52 posted on 03/18/2007 6:31:02 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: ReignOfError
Typically, when a combatant loses a war, they put away the symbols and vestiges of their struggle forever.
53 posted on 03/18/2007 6:33:17 AM PDT by trumandogz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Smokin' Joe
The war was over taxes, not slavery.

Oh puleez.

54 posted on 03/18/2007 6:37:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Smokin' Joe
Lest you forget, slavery did just fine under the stars and stripes for decades. It only existed in the vicinity of the Confederate flag for four.

Yeah but the confederates were the ones willing to launch a rebellion to protect it.

55 posted on 03/18/2007 6:38:36 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: trumandogz

Not always. There's the cultural phenomenon of the "glorious defeat." There are still Russians who fly the hammer and sickle, and Germans who fly the swastika -- there would be far more of the latter if it weren't illegal, a law pretty tightly enforced.

Texas has the Alamo, Jews have Masada, and Serbs hold Kosovo sacred because they were defeated there a few hundred years ago. The top-grossing movie in the country is about the Spartans' glorious defeat at Thermopylae.

I don't know if you're from the South, but a whole lot of mental and emotional energy around here went into promoting the mythology of the "Glorious [sometimes "Lost"] Cause" from about 1865 to 1965 and, to a lesser degree, to the present day.

I've driven a lot of Georgia two-lane highways, been in and through a lot of towns, and I have yet to find a county seat without a prominent Confederate memorial on the courthouse square. Some of those have been adapted in later years to be memorials to the county's veterans of all wars.

The largest relief carving in the world -- bigger than Rushmore -- depicts Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. And their horses.

The problem was that the occupying Union army was ham-handed during Reconstruction, and then turned and walked out one day. They created the conditions for a backlash, and then turned tail and let it happen. It took another century, and many, many lives lost, before black people actually came to be treated kind of like people.


56 posted on 03/18/2007 6:52:26 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: trumandogz

"As a Texan, I could destroy someone's work of art that offends my heritage."

If you are a Texan the rest of us are embarassed to have
you associated with us. Thanks for not displaying the Texas flag.


57 posted on 03/18/2007 6:53:02 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: antisocial

"As a Texan, I could destroy someone's work of art that offends my heritage." ......................As many people in Texas would say; "QUE?"


58 posted on 03/18/2007 6:57:38 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: ARE SOLE
Sim's hair looks like rat heaven.
59 posted on 03/18/2007 7:15:34 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Dems and RINOs: Too stupid 2 lead, too vain 2 follow, too egotistical 2 get the hell out of the way!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: groanup
Does anyone remember when Art was eye candy, to be admired and appreciated, back before it became a pugi stick in through the eye, to poison the brain?
60 posted on 03/18/2007 7:19:37 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Dems and RINOs: Too stupid 2 lead, too vain 2 follow, too egotistical 2 get the hell out of the way!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 261 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson