[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

"We are not making the same point. As a matter of public policy, we need to not only stop the flow of illegal aliens, we need to change our existing legal immigration policies."

We completely agree on that part. I don't necessarily want to see an increase in the overall population. What I want to see is a reduction of all immigration combined with an increase in assimilation. What I want is for the people coming to this country to appreciate America for all the good that it is and has been. In short, I want them to move here to become American, not to balkanize America.

I'll use France to illustrate the point I was making about "rooted Americans" (that is, those who has assimilated and do not consider themselves to be foreign nationals in our country, but Americans). The pseudo-intellectual elite in France have been scoffing at traditional Judeo-Christian values, the traditional family, the free-market system -- in short the pillars of Western foundation -- since the 20's. This they coupled with an adoration of the Self to the point where they stopped marrying, stopped going to church, and most importantly for our discussion, stopped reproducing. Their "rooted" population (native and assimilated French) declined rapidly. As they increasingly socialized their country and as the dwindling remnants of "the French" aged and retired, they realized they had no one to perform their labor, to drive their business and industry, and to be taxed to pay for their socialism. Thus they opened the doors to French Morocco. They imported their Islamofascist problem primarily because the repopulation rate of native French was not enough to replace the numbers. In only a few decades what we once thought of as France and the French will barely exist. It will be a colony of French Morocco.

That is my concern here in America. You are saying we are rapidly following France into this decline (I think we both degree that would be a decline). The studies I have read indicate that we are not following France as quickly as you indicate.

When I have some free time, I'll look into your links and see what they say. I don't have the time this weekend, though.

That said, I think we agree: shut down all immigration to a bare trickle, assimilate everyone here, and let's increase the numbers of Americans who have some rooting here and are willing to preserve American culture and freedom by passing it on to future generations.

[kabar]

We completely agree on that part. I don't necessarily want to see an increase in the overall population. What I want to see is a reduction of all immigration combined with an increase in assimilation. What I want is for the people coming to this country to appreciate America for all the good that it is and has been. In short, I want them to move here to become American, not to balkanize America.

The only way you will achieve that is by securing our borders and enforcing our existing immigration laws. By securing our borders, I am including the administrative wherewithal to track down and remove visa overstays, the source of about one-third of our illegal aliens. As long as we have 500,000 to 1 million "self-selected" immigrants and almost half of all legals of Hispanic origin, we are sowing the seeds for balkanization. They don't have to assimilate because of the existing support structure within the US and that is growing.

In only a few decades what we once thought of as France and the French will barely exist. It will be a colony of French Morocco.

It will take longer than a few decades and there is a growing backlash, as the upcoming French elections indicate. Even with this immigration, the French population growth rate is .35%, about one-third ours and their net migration rate is 0.66 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2006 est.) compared to our 3.18, i.e., we have almost five times the number.

That is my concern here in America. You are saying we are rapidly following France into this decline (I think we both degree that would be a decline). The studies I have read indicate that we are not following France as quickly as you indicate.

I have not said that. I am not against population growth. I just want it regulated and I want our immigration policies to attract the kinds of people we need to help our economy. Chain migration and the visa lottery program are not what we want or need. We can't continue to take in the poor and undeducated from Latin America.

That said, I think we agree: shut down all immigration to a bare trickle, assimilate everyone here, and let's increase the numbers of Americans who have some rooting here and are willing to preserve American culture and freedom by passing it on to future generations.

Our immigration policies need to be changed and not just the flow shut down to a trickle. The problem is that such changes will not be possible politically with the Dems demagoging the issue and seeing the new immigrants as future voters who will make them the permanent majority party. They have been joined by the Chamber of Commerce, which wants to see the flow of cheap, exploitable labor continue and the labor unions that want to increase their dwindling membership. And on top of all that, the WH supports a guest worker program and legalizing the status of the 12 to 20 million illegals already here.

I am pessimistic about the long term outlook. The American people are ignorant when it comes to the issue. Anyone who raises it is called a nativist and racist. Eventually, the American people will wake up when it comes deon to who do you believe, the politicians or your lying eyes. By that time, the open border types will have the political power to win the day. If the Senate bill becomes law, the battle and the war have been lost.