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"You people who try so hard to make the 'evolution = eugenics' connection are just creating your own circle-jerk of mutually accepted nonsense, thereby making more and more posts on FR look like they are from kooks."

I don't think anyone is saying "evolution - eugenics," but if you are denying that there is any connection then you are the one who is blind. It is not the people who believe we are created in the image of God who have promoted eugenics! Read the darn article for Pete's sake.

The people like you who want to deny any connection between evolution and eugenics are typically the same people who claim without batting an eye that "ID = creationism." That is just as bogus a claim as "evolution = eugenics." And, frankly, I've had enough of that crap.


64 posted on 03/09/2007 12:38:54 PM PST by RussP
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To: RussP
the same people who claim without batting an eye that "ID = creationism." . . . And, frankly, I've had enough of that crap.

Good for you, Russ! (Now, I'm sure you'll be happy to tell us in some detail what ID is, and how its different from creationism.)

65 posted on 03/09/2007 1:09:38 PM PST by atlaw
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To: RussP
"The best and the brightest of progressive Protestantism in the first half of the 20th century were zealous allies in the effort to encourage fitter families and to discourage the birth of those who would be a burden on the rest. Charitable Christian organizations, facing large numbers of poor, immigrant families and increasing crime rates in the nation’s cities, turned to the new science of heredity to craft a more manageable, wholesome future."

From: http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=3103

Or ...

"When I began my research on evangelicals and the American eugenics movement, I thought I would find a large literature of anti-eugenic arguments. I hoped that evangelicals in the period 1900-1940 could prove helpful in current debates in bioethics. For the most part I was disappointed. To be sure, within evangelical circles were occasional voices of critique for one or another of the eugenicists’ more extravagant claims about marriage or proposals for social betterment. Historian Edward J. Larson has found scattered opposition to eugenics by Protestants in state legislative records, predominantly in the fundamentalist South.1 But on the whole the evangelical mainstream in the decades following the turn of the century appeared apathetic, acquiescent, or at times downright supportive of the eugenics movement. In this article, I argue that the evangelicals often accepted eugenics as a part of a progressive, reformist vision that uncritically fused the Kingdom of God with modern civilization. From this analysis I suggest a few strategies we can discern by reflecting on past failures to adequately assess and critique the eugenics movement."

From: http://www.ethicsandmedicine.com/18/2/18-2-durst.htm

Looks like there was plenty of credit all 'round.

66 posted on 03/09/2007 1:20:16 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: RussP
I don't think anyone is saying "evolution - eugenics," but if you are denying that there is any connection then you are the one who is blind. It is not the people who believe we are created in the image of God who have promoted eugenics! Read the darn article for Pete's sake.

There are plenty of people who are both Christian and accept the science evolution. I am one.

The people like you who want to deny any connection between evolution and eugenics are typically the same people who claim without batting an eye that "ID = creationism." That is just as bogus a claim as "evolution = eugenics." And, frankly, I've had enough of that crap.

Now you are in full reality-denial mode. It has been established, via the Wedge document, that ID is creationism. Moreover, ID cannot be taught in science class because the courts have found ID = creationism. That's exactly what it is.

67 posted on 03/09/2007 2:04:22 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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