Posted on 03/07/2007 5:07:38 AM PST by zook
Washington called President Chen Shui-bian's pledge to push for independence "unhelpful" Monday and reiterated its stance against independence for the island Beijing regards as a renegade province.
"As it is well-established, the U.S. does not support independence for Taiwan," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.
"President (George W.) Bush has repeatedly underscored his opposition to unilateral changes to the status quo by either Taipei or Beijing because this threatens regional peace and stability, U.S. national interests and Taiwan's own welfare," McCormack said.
He reminded that Chen had pledged in his 2000 and 2004 inaugurations to not declare independence, change the island state's name, or advocate other sovereignty themes.
"President Chen's fulfillment of his commitments is a test of leadership, dependability and statesmanship and of his ability to protect Taiwan's interests, its relations with others and to maintain peace and stability in the Strait," McCormack said.
"Rhetoric that could raise doubts about these commitments is unhelpful."
On Sunday Chen told a group of Taiwan independence advocates that "Taiwan wants independence, Taiwan wants to change its name, Taiwan wants a new constitution, Taiwan wants development."
Such rhetoric in the past has angered Beijing, and raised concerns in the United States, which has pledged to protect Taiwan from Chinese military aggression.
If you disagree with the government, they shoot you with one bullet, instead of two.
Haven't been to China lately, eh? It's no freedom paradise, but feel free to read above for examples of the changes I'm talking about.
"You write hundreds of lines, yet they are so easy to refute."
You refuted nothing. Instead of addressing any fact or argument your dialogue is nothing more than a conversation with yourself.
"You asked for evidence that China had changed."
I did not ask for evidence "that China had changed". You submitted evidence of what you called "freedom" and what you called "democracy". I submitted to you why none of the things you submitted represented either freedom or democracy, because by any definition of those terms the things you submitted can only, at the most represent privileges that a dictatorship has granted, and nothing more. But, you cannot get a definition of "democracy" in front of you and equate any "change" in China to that concept. So now you change your argument from presenting evidence of "democracy" to evidence of "change"; like a typical lib.
"I gave several examples. You were proven to be a liar."
You gave examples of what you now call "change" and when you referred to them you called them examples of "freedom" and "democracy"; which they are neither. It is you who keeps changing the terms of your own argument, to try to wiggle out of the cage you put yourself in.
"It's not that China hasn't changed, but that it hasn't changed enough."
Now, I agree with you. China has not changed "enough". Because underneath what the tourist sees, the dictatorial system that permits what you see has not changed at all.
"You are a hater."
Quite the opposite. I love the Chinese people and have deep love, admiration and respect for all on the mainland, in Taiwan and elsewhere, as well as for many of them individually and personally. I have no love for the dictatorship that continues to rule over them, and neither do any of my friends in China or Taiwan or elsewhere.
"The only way China will ever measure up to your standard is when they adopt the American flag and beg to be allowed to kiss your ass."
Hardly; those are entirely your words not mine. China will measure up to my standards, one day, when the Chinese people themselves force the dictatorship to step down and freely and democratically make their own government; which they will do; but certainly with no thanks to people like you that continue to spread the myths about the dictatorship.
"Rational readers know who is telling the truth. And they know you are about an inch from being a solid kookburger maniac."
"Rational readers" know you can neither make a rational, truthful argument or back it up. The only "kook" is the zook.
I hope your employer comes to realize how uneducated their employee zook really is, before people's kids continue to be so mis-educated by you.
It takes just a second to slap down a Wuli. But it means so much!
When you keep slapping your own face, you pretend you're slapping someone else? Hey, whatever makes you feel better, go right ahead. Don't let me stop you.
"Warmonger."
It is only the real warmongers that say that, because it is said by the weak and spineless who invite the aggressors to attack, wanting everyone else to not object. But we do.
Not so long as Taiwan is US territory. The US private sector is worth $55 trillion; public sector unknown. How much is Taiwan worth? If there is a buyer, sell it for fair market value.
When you read zooks "changes" ask him what they have to do with "democracy" and read my responses to him.
He sees China on the surface, with a Shanghai shopping mall view of the surface reality produced by China's state-capitalism (capitalism run by and for a dictatorship) and calls it "freedom" and "democracy". He sees nothing of the reality of those in China who recognize the "productive" cage the dictatorship continues to represent and maintain its control with.
It's not that China is becoming more like France. It's that France is becoming more like China.
Voting in China is like voting in Chicago, except that the bosses in Chicago have been in charge longer.
Hey ass. Are you so cowardly that you write about me behind my back?
You pathetic little runt of a wuss. You can't read and you can't think. The rational people here who want to bother to take the time to read all this will know that my argument has been very clear and consistent.
Three simple premises.
1. That China has made great progress over the past two decades in terms of allowing political and economic freedom. Only an ass would deny it. That's you.
2. That American policy is that Taiwan is part of China, that neither China nor Taiwan should do anything to disrupt the status quo.
3. That America will not go to war with China if Taiwan declares independence.
Most children can understand this, but not Wuli. He is insane with hatred toward China.
Right, and so is Canada in some ways, so are other nations that we would still consider to be democracies. My point was that even as China continues to practice some authoritarian social policies, it is impossible to deny the progress it has made in terms of allowing some political and economic freedom.
I've read you saying that before. But apparently no one else knows about this. Can you explain? And explain why no one seems to recognize this?
"That China has made great progress over the past two decades in terms of allowing political and economic freedom."
There is zero political freedom in China. China has made no changes to bring about political freedom. But being an indoctrinated American academic we understand why you don't understand the term "political freedom". If you actually understood what it meant, you'd know what an ignorant statement it is to say that China has made progress in "political freedom".
China is a dictatorship. There is one party. There is no choice about it. There is no "political freedom" to propose, or obtain any governmental option in any area of government that is not approved by that dictatorship and the one party who maintains it. There is no political freedom in China, by any definition of the term "political freedom".
China does not have economic freedom. It has no economic rights and no constitutional or other foundation that guarantees any "economic freedom". It has relaxed the economic privileges it allows. It, daily, denies those privileges, needing no laws to do so, whenever the exercise of them gets in the way of what the party wants or when the exercise of them produces something that offends the party. Its ability, the dictators ability to deny those privileges at will, with no legal process needed or recourse allowed, demonstrates to any rational, knowledgeable person that they are not "economic freedom' but merely economic privileges.
"That American policy is that Taiwan is part of China, that neither China nor Taiwan should do anything to disrupt the status quo."
More ignorance from the zookster.
Nothing in any American policy, regarding China or Taiwan says anything about "status quo".
American policy and American agreements have never said "we want to keep the status quo". There are no such agreements anywhere. Status quo is a diplomatic term and nothing more. It is not in any agreement.
What is in the agreements is (1)we will be neutral on the final status of Taiwan, neither seeking to obtain or seeking to prevent either Taiwan independence or reunification as long as (2)military force is not used to resolve the issue. We have told China and pledged to Taiwan that if military force is used, the US will no longer be neutral. Those are our conditions. Those are the elements of our agreements. You can continue to write your own. Our government is not going to adopt them.
Glad to see you've taken a break from spreading half-truths about Rudy and have moved on to spreading them about the dictatorial Government in China.
"That America will not go to war with China if Taiwan declares independence." "Most children can understand this, but not Wuli. He is insane with hatred toward China."
Children can easily understand your words. Educated children understand your words are not US policy. The US has pledged to defend Taiwan under any circumstances in which China seeks to militarily impose a solution to the Taiwan-China issue. The language of the agreements is very clear on that. We have never agreed, never made any agreement that the use of force is China's only options should Taiwan seek its independence. If China chooses that option, we will no longer be neutral. China knows it and Taiwan knows it. The zookster knows nothing.
The zookster loves the dictators more than the Chinese people. How sad.
"Voting in China is like voting in Chicago, except that the bosses in Chicago have been in charge longer."
I suggest, for fun, you send that comment to the zook. I know we will all get a good laugh out of his response. Put your flame shield up.
"Are you so cowardly that you write about me behind my back?"
What is the definition of a "public forum"?
Is this an "open thread" in a public forum?
Have I posted anything, to you or about you that is not open in this forum or in this thread? No.
So, if I can't go "behind your back" then how many backs do you have? Two? Like your face.
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