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To: GSlob
All "goods" are apparent,

Including this belief, which is good, right? So then this belief is an apparent good, and not one that conforms to objective reality (if in fact reality exists at all?)

Goodness is convertible with being. Therefore, your claim is that goodness, or being, or reality is apparent, which is contradictory.

since all value systems are conventional, individual, and even are time and circumstances dependent

You have knowledge of all value systems? You know that they are all defined by convention or subjective opinion? What about the idea that good is to be done and evil avoided? Is that an objective truth or a subjective belief?

536 posted on 03/08/2007 11:13:59 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan
I am an atheist, and thus in my reference frame your [religious] one is deranged. [And I fully expect reciprocity here]. The statement that all "goods" are apparent in their nature is not even judgeable in terms of being a "good" in itself or not. It is a statement which merely forms a part of a certain value system methodology. It is a methodological tool, and as such it is value-neutral. If the methodology is logically self consistent, and if it allows for building a system with a modicum of explanatory and predictive power with regard to more mundane things and situations, that's all I'm asking from it. And the whole methodology for building a system, or the system itself, is not a "good", greater or lesser. It is a tool, more or less useful, and allowing potential access to "goods". "A good" notion could apply only to some of its applications, and of these some are greater goods than others. Capacity to explain, understand, and predict is "a good".
The following true story is an illustration of advanced application of such a value system:
At my former workplace they were conducting an executive search for a "sweep" - a senior VP. The large sweep's office stood empty for something like a good part of a year, and nobody knew who or when would come to occupy it. A couple months before they found their sweep, I had predicted to my coworkers the nameplate to be put on that office door. I assumed a wild facial expression of prophets from bad movies, stretched my hands towards that door, defocused my gaze, and muttered: "I see it... I see it... GREEDY A-HOLE!" Everyone laughed. Couple months later they found their sweep, and everyone had to stop laughing. A year later they had to squeeze him out -he proved to be too much even for them!
No, I was not on the search committee. But what I knew was that the sweep would be chosen on the basis of conformity to the existing corporate culture [which I knew, and knew only too well], and that was sufficient for the prediction.
538 posted on 03/08/2007 12:30:32 PM PST by GSlob
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