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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Kolokotronis
He knew no crime had been committed.

Obstruction of justice does not require another crime be committed. All it requires is that he knowingly impede the functioning of a grand jury by misleading it. By lying to the grand jury about when he learned of Ms. Wilson's identity and the sum and substance of his conversations about Ms. Wilson to reporters, he obstructed justice. It is irrelevant that he was not the actual source of the leak (Mr. Armitage, who cooperated with investigators), nor is is relevant if Ms. Plame was or was not covert. What matters is only that he lied to the grand jury and investigators.

Remember - no crime need be committed for a grand jury to exist. There must only be reason to believe a crime may have been committed. Grand juries are investigatory tools, not fact-finders.

I have absolutely no sympathy for Libby. I didn't buy the "I forgot" defense (come on - one of the sharpest Beltway lawyers "forgot"? Not bloody likely.) My support for the Iraq war does not extend so far as to give immunity to lawyers for lying to grand juries.

1,271 posted on 03/06/2007 3:57:24 PM PST by jude24
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To: jude24; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan

" Obstruction of justice does not require another crime be committed. All it requires is that he knowingly impede the functioning of a grand jury by misleading it. By lying to the grand jury about when he learned of Ms. Wilson's identity and the sum and substance of his conversations about Ms. Wilson to reporters, he obstructed justice. It is irrelevant that he was not the actual source of the leak (Mr. Armitage, who cooperated with investigators), nor is is relevant if Ms. Plame was or was not covert. What matters is only that he lied to the grand jury and investigators.

Remember - no crime need be committed for a grand jury to exist. There must only be reason to believe a crime may have been committed. Grand juries are investigatory tools, not fact-finders."

"I have absolutely no sympathy for Libby. I didn't buy the "I forgot" defense (come on - one of the sharpest Beltway lawyers "forgot"? Not bloody likely.)"

The rigidness and absolutism of youth! Smart lawyers never give guarantees, but I'll break that rule this one time. After you've been practicing as long as b-d and me, I guarantee you'll look at these things differently.

"My support for the Iraq war does not extend so far as to give immunity to lawyers for lying to grand juries."

As well it shouldn't.


1,274 posted on 03/06/2007 4:04:12 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: jude24
If you were Libby's attorney, would you object that a former Washington Post associate would serve on the jury in Washington D.C.?
1,281 posted on 03/06/2007 4:38:11 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: jude24
I have absolutely no sympathy for Libby. I didn't buy the "I forgot" defense (come on - one of the sharpest Beltway lawyers "forgot"? Not bloody likely.)

Memory loss that increases with age is extremely bloody likely. It is also depressing, and annoying, and frightening. I recommend that you avoid it.

1,282 posted on 03/06/2007 4:44:43 PM PST by TChad
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