Rudy's Reception (at CPAC)

Townhall ^ | March 3, 2007 | Mary Katharine Ham

[FairOpinion]

McCain-hating and Romney-bashing have been pretty much equal-opportunity pastimes around CPAC this year.

Rudy, on the other hand, has gotten mostly a free pass. And, today, his speech was filled to capacity with folks waiting in the hallway to get in. There were also dense crowds around all the TVs in the exhibit halls. The charm offensive is strong, indeed. People just love listening to him.

I took some video of conservatives quite mesmerized by the Mayor, so I'm working on getting that up. They were doing crowd control outside the hall in which he was speaking. Many of those folks crowding the hall are pro-life, social conservatives who just can't resist him, despite the policy differences. I don't think Rudy will remain unattacked, as he was this week, but the feel-good factor is big for him, no matter what kind of conservative he's talking to.

Today, he talked about leadership, security, toughness, and Reagan to a crowd who's looking for a leader in the image of Reagan in a time that needs security. It was a good pitch, and there were more people listening than have listened to anything at CPAC this week.

[narses]

I was more attempting to call attention to the motivation of the poster , and the possibility of a hidden agenda.

So it is some sort of agenda of yours to hound me because you suspect my "motivation"? How interesting.

[carlo3b]

So it is some sort of agenda of yours to hound me because you suspect my "motivation"?

Yes.. Simple, but effective, isn't it?.. :)

[narses]

No, more like offensive. And very much against the rules of the site. I suggest you NOT play the cyberstalker and not impugn me or other posters.

[carlo3b]

Right.. Shame on you, you are busted..

[ScubieNuc]

CPAC
Since 1974, ACU has hosted the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, where thousands of conservative activists and leaders from across the country join together for a three-day event to discuss current issues and policies and to set the agenda for the future of the conservative movement.



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I'll stand by my other post (which you neither confirmed nor denied)...If CPAC supports...

1) abortion
2) weakening the 2nd amendment
3) gay marriage
4) gay military
5) embrionic stem cell testing
6) amensty for illegal aliens

Then all their history in the world doesn't mean crap to what they are standing for now.

Sincerely

[Blackirish]

RUDY'S POSITION ON PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION IS THE SAME AS DUNCAN HUNTER'S..PLEASE ADD THAT TO YOUR PING LIST!!!!!!

Yet, on the Fox News show, Giuliani said that he supports a ban on partial-birth abortion as long as there is a provision to protect the life of the mother.


"If it has provision for the life of the mother, then I would support it," he told the Fox News program.


Washington, D.C. – The House of Representatives yesterday passed H.R. 760, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, by a margin of 282-139. Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA-52), who is a cosponsor of the legislation, proudly voted in favor of this measure which prohibits medical doctors, except in situations where the LIFE OF THE MOTHER is threatened, from utilizing certain procedures that involve the partial delivery of a living unborn baby, killing the child, then completing the delivery

[narses]

Really? Cool. Then Rudy now supports the following from Hunter?

I would amend the U.S. Constitution and provide blanket protection to all unborn children from the moment of conception by prohibiting any state or federal law that denies the personhood of the unborn. Likewise, I have also introduced the Right to Life Act, which would legally define “personhood” as the moment of conception and, therefore, guarantee all constitutional rights and protections, including life, to the unborn without utilizing a constitutional amendment.

If Rudy makes that clear, it will help. He'll need to also deal with many other issues, but acknowledging the Catholic truth about abortion that he has been so wrong on for so many years would be big!

Did Rudy tell you he agreed with Hunter or is this something you read somewhere?

[lonevoice]

Rudy at CPAC ping

[narses]

"Shame on you, you are busted.."

What are you now trying to say?

[Wombat101]

"Telling the truth about Rooty, especially using his own words, isn't "hate". Facts are. They exist. Rooty is opposed to most of the GOP agenda. He endorses left wing ideas and candidates. Them are facts."

Okay, I was inclined to not answer you and give you the impression that I was paying attention, but THIS could not go unchallenged.

I will assume for the moment that you are not a New Yorker, and know nothing about life here between, say 1960 and the late 1980's, about how terrible it all was with regards to crime, vagrancy, filth, crack wars and so forth (a common problem in "Flyover Country" -- btw, that was NOT intended as an insult), except what you've heard, etc. Rudy Giuliani solved the majority of those problems by simply enforcing the laws vigorously and locking the criminals up. In the meantime, he garned nothing but vitriol from the like of Jesse Jackass, Al Sharpton and the rest of the poverty pimps.

If enforcing the law is now in opposition to the GOP platform, I must have missed the memo.

I also remember a time when personal income and property taxes in New York City were astronomically high. I then seem to remember 23 tax cuts under Giuliani as mayor.

If 23 tax cuts are now in opposition to the GOP platform, I must have missed the memo.

I also seem to recall a time when the labor unions ran city government in this town. Rudy Giuliani took tough stances and stood firm against the unions and got them to actually a) give something back (like actually requiring their members to work and be accountable), b) institute productivity plans, and c)hold rampant salaries in check.

If Union-checking is now in opposition to the GOP platform, I must have missed the memo.

I also recall that as Mayor of New York City, Rudy Giuliani was not responsible for gun control laws (the Federal gov't and the State Legislature were), or for enforcing immigration laws (the Federal gov't is). Nor was he responsible for rent control laws (the Assembly was). And that in a city with 2100 murders a year, some gun control was necessary in order to get the guns off the street and the criminals locked up. Incidentally, it was Mario Cuomo that passed the the worst of the gun registration and "assault weapons" bans in this state (with the dem-controlled Assembly), and Rudy had no choice but to enforce the laws as written and LEGALLY passed by an elected legislature, with the consent of the governed of New York State. (P.S. I have lived in New York all my life, and I not only own guns (even one that was grandfathered under the "Assault Weapons Ban", I've never had anyone try to grab them from me, particularly not my former mayor or his Gestapo).

Last time I looked, expecting a public servant to enforce or abide by the laws passed by legally constituted legislatures was not in opposition to the GOP platform, but alas, I must have missed that memo, too.

I recall that Rudy Giuliani left he city of New York, perpetually broke before he arrived, with a budget surplus of several billion (I believe 4) dollars when he left office. It took his successor (Bloomberg) little more than a year to turn this into a 6 billion dollar deficit, and implement an 18% property tax hike to cover the shortfall.

If turning a deficit into a surplus is now in opposition to the GOP platform, again, no one told me.

So, you don't agree with the man's social views. Fine. However, given the record stated here, Rudy Giuliani has been far more conservative (on those issues where government can actually make a difference) than just about everyone who's worn the badge since Goldwater.

Just admit that your pet peeves revolve around your fear of homosexuals, your deep-seeted psychosis-like need to be armed to the teeth in order to defend yourself from the un-savable sinners when the Rapture occurs, or, if God won't avail and begin the End of Days on a convenient schedule, perhaps start the Rapture on your own (ala David Koiresh) with an armed insurrection intended to implement your own brand of Taliban-like rule.

Get this through your head: Cultural conservatives have got it all wrong. After 30 years of insisting that elective politics is the best road towards (semi-)theocracy, the rest of us are beginning to have doubts, or tire of the same old song and dance (i.e. the preternaturally supid argument that half a loaf is the same as no bread). You will never legislate and enforce morality with the power of the state, and any action by any future government friendly to your views will only affect things in your favor at the margins, at best (which is what has happened since Reagan promised you a Constitutional ban on abortion).

In the meantime, you have three choices before you:

1. Stay home on Election Day and stew in your juices.
2. Perhaps take a more pragmatic view of the political climate, and perhaps learn to compromise, advancing conservatism on one front through gov't, and the on the other through conventional methods of persuasion in the community at large.
3. Take those guns you fear losing and give yourself a .45 caliber root-canal.

[Blackirish]

So Hunter actually believes he can pass a constitutional amendment barring abortions?

Does he want a constitutional amendment barring queers from marrying?

Internet gambling?

Then like a hard core liberal he believes the constitution is a "living breathing document"


Good luck getting elected on that platform/sarc

[narses]

Just admit that your pet peeves revolve around your fear of homosexuals, your deep-seeted psychosis-like need to be armed to the teeth in order to defend yourself from the un-savable sinners when the Rapture occurs, or, if God won't avail and begin the End of Days on a convenient schedule, perhaps start the Rapture on your own (ala David Koiresh) with an armed insurrection intended to implement your own brand of Taliban-like rule.

What a hoot.

Tuesday, June 20, 2000
MAYOR GIULIANI AND SPEAKER VALLONE ANNOUNCE CITY LAWSUIT AGAINST GUN INDUSTRY

[narses]

So Hunter actually believes he can pass a constitutional amendment barring abortions?...Good luck getting elected on that platform/sarc

Are you not familiar with the GOP Platform?

Human Life Amendment to the Constitution

We must keep our pledge to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence. That is why we say the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make it clear that the 14th Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

We oppose abortion, but our pro-life agenda does not include punitive action against women who have an abortion. We salute those who provide alternatives to abortion and offer adoption services, and we commend Congressional Republicans for expanding assistance to adopting families and for removing racial barriers to adoption.

Source: 2004 Republican Party Platform, p. 86

[narses]

"3. Take those guns you fear losing and give yourself a .45 caliber root-canal."

I missed that. How nice.

[Wombat101]

Hmmm...Checking Personal Arsenal

.44 Charter arms revolver....Check
.9mm Brownign Hi-Power....Check
Marlin 1895 45/70....Check
Mossberg 835 Multi-mag shotgun....Check

Guess how many of those are illegal in New York State?
Then guess how many times Rudy Giuliani or a member of the Gestapo has been to my door to take them away from me?

Suing the gun comapnies has nothing to do with my ability to own a firearm in this state, nor will it affect yours to own one where you live. Suing the gun manufacturers has EVERYTHING to do with the manufacurers taking responsibilty for ensuring they sell to reputible dealers who will FOLLOW THE FRIGGIN' LAWS and stop selling guns to criminals.

But keep making the same weak argument.

[Wombat101]

"I missed that. How nice."

You apparently miss a lot when you read. No wonder you've posted a lot of garbage.

[narses]

Then guess how many times Rudy Giuliani or a member of the Gestapo has been to my door to take them away from me?

I will let Pharmboy answer that:

This is getting boring, as I've had to tell this story over and over again to make sure EVERYONE knows that Rudy is a really real realist gun grabber (not bad, eee, eh?). But, be assured, I will tell this story as often as I have to in order to let all know how DANGEROUS this guy is to our FREEDOM.

I had a pistol carry permit in NYC for 19 years, spotless record, but Rudy changed the rules and I had to give mine up (I actually had two permits--one for a semi auto and one for a revolver). Anyone who thinks things are made better by taking guns away from law-abiding citizens can kiss my *ss in Macy's window.

Rudy is one of those rare liberals who understands the Islamonazi threat, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.

He still does not get the Bill of Rights or why gun ownership is key to LIBERTY.

[narses]

You really make a nice example of the NYC attitude that so endears you folks to us in fly-over country.

[Blackirish]

Oh I'm sorry...
I see you don't have the debating skills to debate me one on one .You need help. Awwwww...tsk tsk when somone is a little "special" I understand they need help.

[Wombat101]

I happen to live a good portion of my life nowadays in a place so rural and packed with Snake-handling baptists, that it would make you feel absolutely cosmopolitan, I'll bet.

And Pharmboy is but one example, and I can assure you, he is certainly not representative of anything and I'll bet he isn;t telling the whole truth and nothing but when he relates his story. I've owned many of my weapons for over 20 years, and while complying with the law might be a pain in the posterior (I mean, gosh, all them forms and stuff!), it certainy is nothing compared to what might happen if I didn't comply with the law.

But then again, I'm just the simple son of a 24-year NYPD officer, the scion of three generations of US Marines, and a veteran of the US Navy, who was an avid hunter and still is an active skeet shooter. What the heck would I know about guns and laws and junk like that anyways, right?

As for the attitude, it's often a necessary defense mechanism against the paranoid element.