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To: lawdave
Hummm...I dont know...are you sure about this: "the blood was not taken to the altar until Jesus ascended into heaven. At that point his sacrifice was complete."

I am sorry, it's just when you look at the entirety of scripture, it just doesn't add up. John's Revelation is terrific imagery but doesn't make for a good basis for a theological foundation. Also, you assert infallibility to the new testament and I dont. The Temple veil and the resurrection of the dead at the time of the crucification have not been historically verified. I would think that those events would have been widely recorded.

128 posted on 03/02/2007 1:31:56 PM PST by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: blasater1960
The Temple veil and the resurrection of the dead at the time of the crucification have not been historically verified. I would think that those events would have been widely recorded.

You reject the Gospel accounts as historical. I think that Josephus and Tacitus(contemporary historians of the day) both allude to Jesus. I do not think there are that many written accounts of the period which survive.

My main support for truthfulness of the Gospel accounts is that all of the Apostle's but John (and a lot of other believers as well) were willing to go to their deaths proclaiming them as true rather than recant. If these accounts were fabricated, the Apostle's would have known it. Yet, they died as martyrs.

As to the "blood was not taken to the altar until Jesus ascended into heaven" argument, I concede that this is a bit of theological exposition I read from a scholar, it is not directly stated in the Bible. But it makes sense to me.

I agree that Revelation is clouded with imagery that is difficult to decipher, but I think certain images can be reliably understood. Certainly, it makes sense to see Jesus as the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the one who can open the scroll, etc. The fact that the lion turns out to be a lamb coincides with John's Gospel where Jesus is identifed as the lamb of God. I believe that John wrote both his gospel and Revelations, so the imagery ties together nicely.

129 posted on 03/02/2007 1:55:35 PM PST by lawdave
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To: blasater1960
"Also, you assert infallibility to the new testament and I dont. The Temple veil and the resurrection of the dead at the time of the crucification have not been historically verified. I would think that those events would have been widely recorded."

Ah, yes--Matthew 27. Many bodies of saints climbed out of their graves and went to the holy city for a visit. Many people saw them then, but the historians of those days didn't even hear about them for some reason or other.

But shocking new evidence has been uncovered, though! The following photo was recently revealed by the Vatican.





154 posted on 03/03/2007 5:00:14 PM PST by familyop
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