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To: nopardons; Jim Robinson
You are either unaware, or ignoring the fact that as mayor, Rudy was the major proponent of vouchers and charter schools and is also a firm believer in PARENTS RIGHTS over board of education "rights" and won that battle in N.Y.C. with almost no help from any other politician or group.

He's in favor of school choice, and also believes that the NCLB act is good law, because it puts EVERY school in this country to account, not just the failing ones, although the failing ones pay the higher price for failing it's children in the first place.

Rudy believed that even poor families deserved to choose the schools their children attended. He also believed that parents knew what was best for their children. To the BOE, each child was just a number on a sheet of paper. The BOE, like any government institution, was just more interested in collecting their share of the property tax money, and getting a paycheck, no matter what.

956 posted on 02/28/2007 3:01:55 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
He's in favor of school choice,

So is just about every other Republican candidate for president.

Every "plus" you can list for Rudy yields no distinct advantage over just about any other Republican candidate. And when you turn to the minuses, well . . . . let's just say, charitably, that Rudy is to the left of some Democratic candidates.

And I have yet to hear the Giuliani Groupies' fact-based case for the laughable assertion that only he can fight the war on terror.

964 posted on 02/28/2007 3:07:22 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: BigSkyFreeper
He's in favor of school choice, and also believes that the NCLB act is good law, because it puts EVERY school in this country to account, not just the failing ones, although the failing ones pay the higher price for failing it's children in the first place.

The cognitive dissonance is deafening. The Rudybots claim (falsely) that the reason that Giuliani is against the Federal Marriage Amendment, against the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, against the Human Life Amendment, against the Defense of Marriage Act, and for various local gun control and confiscation policies is because he is against the Federal Government getting involved in such things and leaving it to the states. Now you say that he is FOR the No Child Left Behind legislation and that it is "good law" wherein the Federal Government DOES get involved in state and local education issues.

980 posted on 02/28/2007 3:15:07 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: BigSkyFreeper
And Rudy didn't just give lip service to all of that; no, he actually put his words into ACTIONS! He fought N.Y.C.'s BOE ( which is something NO mayor has even tried to do before !) and WON!

He even made sure that those who wanted separate schools for boys and girls were able to start single sex charter schools, where the poorest children, who had been stuck in the worst of the worst public schools could go and excel; which they did.

1,035 posted on 02/28/2007 3:42:45 PM PST by nopardons
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To: BigSkyFreeper
and also believes that the NCLB act is good law

That alone makes him a dope. I know approximately ten different teachers, some conservative, some liberal, most apolitical, and I've made a point to ask them all about NCLB. Every single one of them thinks that it is the most horrendous thing to happen to education.

1,752 posted on 03/01/2007 12:24:36 PM PST by jmc813 (Rudy Giuliani as the Republican nominee is like Martin Luther being Pope.)
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