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To: MACVSOG68
"Yeah, I'm always concerned about that (a major terrorist attack), but the terrorist groups know that it will backfire." Actually, the terrorist do not have a country now the way they had Afghanistan for us to focus upon. They really have little to lose and much propaganda to gain. To think they are now tying their activities to our political machinations is naive (their rhetoric, yes, their blood lust no). The desire of the terrorists in Islam is to manipulate our nation into paroxysms of indecision and feckless posturing, the only posture democrats know.

Without an Afghanistan to focus upon, we will take a hit and stand feckless for all our great technology ... because the political environment prevents our Commander-in-Chief from sending our special forces and technologically superior weaponry deep into Islamofascist strongholds like Iran, Pakistan, or Indonesia to terminate with extreme prejudice the demonic scum. And our borders will remain open to any infiltration because business interests direct our politicians in the illegal immigration issue.

I am not hopeful at this point because the democrat party has so divided US in order to manipulate voting blocks, it has made us impotent. The clinton goons wants Rudy as their main opponent, IMHO, and that tells me they know how to soil his image in order to promote her lowness to the white whorehouse. The democrap party doesn't get it, the war with Islamofascism, and Republican politicians are too focused upon their political negatives to act out of principles ... those intangibles of conservative character.

Rudy is not a unifying figure though he may be tough. Without unity of purpose in the nation's politicians, we are disarmed and totally vulnerable, split in half on resolve ... just the way the democrat party wants this nation so we the people fall at their socialist feet to beg for government to care for us not just protect us. I fear that is Rudy's strategy also, to so tie his future to protection as to ignore the fundamentals of what conservatism is. Rudy Giuliani is no conservative.

1,858 posted on 03/01/2007 8:40:01 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Nope, Hillary does NOT want to have to face Rudy. Where did you ever get THAT idea from? McCain would be so much easier to beat, as would any of the other bottom tier GOP field.
1,862 posted on 03/01/2007 9:01:23 PM PST by nopardons
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To: MHGinTN
To think they are now tying their activities to our political machinations is naive (their rhetoric, yes, their blood lust no). The desire of the terrorists in Islam is to manipulate our nation into paroxysms of indecision and feckless posturing, the only posture democrats know.

Well, I've been accused of a lot worse than naivety. But I also believe that the Muslim Brotherhood has an end goal, supported by much evidence, which is the establishment of an Islamic empire. They are now closer than many realize. Yes, they live for blood lust, but they are also politically aware. If they want us out of the Gulf area, a major attack on us will have the opposite effect. Even Democrats will realize that this WOT is real. You may be absolutely right, and I may be in outer space, but I believe they will wait until we are no longer positioned militarily like we are today. They no longer have Afghanistan, but they are still receiving support from Iran, Syria, and more secretly, other nations.

I am not hopeful at this point because the democrat party has so divided US in order to manipulate voting blocks, it has made us impotent.

That's my whole point. They understand American politics, and how the Democrats have become their useful idiots. Why would they throw that away with a direct, major attack on us?

The clinton goons wants Rudy as their main opponent, IMHO, and that tells me they know how to soil his image in order to promote her lowness to the white whorehouse.

Believe me, Rudy is the last opponent they want. He is, at least now, the only one who can defeat either Hillary or Obama. I don't think they want to chance a backlash by overdoing it on the baggage issues he carries. Hillary especially would be vulnerable to such an attack. No, they are very content to let the social conservatives chew him up, and remain "above" the fray. But they want any other candidate as their main opponent.

The democrap party doesn't get it, the war with Islamofascism, and Republican politicians are too focused upon their political negatives to act out of principles ... those intangibles of conservative character.

I couldn't agree more. In fact, with the Hillary-Obama fracas going on now, and some signs of progress in Iraq, I'm surprised and troubled that the President doesn't go on the offensive with major speeches giving the other side. But he has failed many times before to use his bully pulpit, as Reagan was so effective doing. He is missing a great opportunity right now.

Rudy is not a unifying figure though he may be tough. Without unity of purpose in the nation's politicians, we are disarmed and totally vulnerable, split in half on resolve ...

To the contrary. Only he, Mitt or McCain would willingly include the other side of the aisle in the development of major initiatives. The others, Brownback, Newt (though I respect him), Tancredo, Hunter, et al, are polarizing figures, and would do nothing to try and unify the Nation.

just the way the democrat party wants this nation so we the people fall at their socialist feet to beg for government to care for us not just protect us.

The Democrats understand that only half as many people consider themselves liberal compared with conservative. But most analysts consider the defeat of 2006 was less a rush to liberalism as it was a rejection of the social agenda in favor of moderation.

I fear that is Rudy's strategy also, to so tie his future to protection as to ignore the fundamentals of what conservatism is. Rudy Giuliani is no conservative.

I'm not going to get sucked into a discussion of Rudy per se, but the fundamentals I discussed with you earlier do not rule him out as a conservative. The social fundamentals that many here on FR believe represents conservatism (though I've explained why they don't) would obviously exclude him. So be it.

1,966 posted on 03/02/2007 6:52:14 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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