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To: MHGinTN
Wow, what an amazing display of straw in motion.

Another indicator of a lost argument. Simply use the old strawman charge. You charge me with creating schisms and then when I give you examples of what you have done you call them strawmen.

The notion of why folks support Rudy is relevant to their issues, and the actual theme of this thread.

And so you don't believe that the tactics used by your friends here to drive all the moderates out is relevant to a thread entitled "Is Driving Rinos Out of the GOP Good For the Country"?

Incidentally, the issues you named are for the most part social issues if you have actual conservative values rather than living your life on situational ethics, where all issues are negotiable because of weak character.

They are religiously and morally based, not conservatively based. Because a member of the RR calls himself a conservative does not so make him. I have no problems with anyone who makes those values a major part of their lives; I argue that for the most part they do not belong in the political debate. I listed the issues I believe a good candidate should be concerned with, and I believe most Americans would agree with those.

And you may decry situational ethics, but go back and look at the threads these past couple of weeks, and tell me just how ethical those on your side of the debate are. They use distortions, lies, vicious labels, threats, and every tool in the book to shut up the other side. Doesn't sound too ethical to me, unless you believe that "the end justifies the means" is really not situational ethics.

And therein is the source of controversy over Rudy's so liberal values and how they will direct his decisions in office.

Your definition of liberal is not necessarily consistent with the reality of real liberalism here in the Country, nor with the definition of most Americans. There are twice as many people in America who describe themselves as conservative compared with those who claim to be liberals. Yet Rudy's favorability rating at last check was 65%, far more than every other candidate on either side of the aisle. And I am pretty certain, he would address the issues I consider important to this Nation, and which are real conservative values.

I understand that it is not easy being marginalized. But the RR brought it on themselves, and were helped out by the pathetic 109th.

1,725 posted on 03/01/2007 9:34:26 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68
If you look at what I have written and compare that to what you 'claimed', even you will see straw flying from your rake: "So if that makes me a traitorous cretin, a Nazi, a queer-lover, then so be it. Hit the damn abuse button and get me off this "high value" forum."

You asserted, "They (the social issues) are religiously and morally based, not conservatively based." Gee, perhaps you would educate me as to what is 'true' source of conservative values.

1,727 posted on 03/01/2007 9:47:04 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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