Plus Rudy WILL fight the war, while Hillary has already said she will withdraw troops.
I think it wise to listen to Cold Heat. I can remember the Carter years really well. That was when the democrats had all the marbles and ran the military and the intelligence groups into the ground, as well as starting the war on terror through Carter's stupid backstabbing of the Shah.
Look, like I said, I don't really have anyone I support. And people who don't like Guiliani and want to support someone else...fine by me.
I just think it better to talk about the positives of those we support and if abortion is a sticking point, people should just say they can't get past it. That is enough. Hollering insults at freepers and calling Guiliani names starts reminding me of the Reagan/Ford arguments, and that is how we wound up with Carter! We just HAVE to keep the White House and retake Congress!
The ticket in 1880 was James Garfield, a Half Breed, and Chester Arthur, a Stalwart. The Stalwarts could not get over the idea that someone who opposed them so blatantly was going to be President - Garfield was a brilliant man (he could simultaneously write in Ancient Greek and Latin - he was ambidextrous), a former General, and a distinguished Representative. However, an extreme Stalwart named Charles Guiteau, shot Garfield early into his Presidency in 1881, screaming, "I am a Stalwart and Arthur is President!".
Chester Arthur, however, was so horrified by the actions of Guiteau, that he adopted the entire Half Breed programme of reform, and the Stalwarts were swept into political oblivion.
The moral of the story is - the Republicans are a strong organisation that have survived a lot splits. However factions should be careful as to the limbs they climb out onto - those limbs can easily be cut off and discarded, as the Stalwarts found out.
Regards, Ivan
Then we better end the distraction of the pro-abortionist liberal candidates like Giuliani being supported on this CONSERVATIVE forum which is disrupting our efforts to support electable conservatives or even somewhat conservative candidates.
We don't want a repeat of Carter when the Rockefeller wing tried to make us swallow Ford as the nominee. That was too much to swallow as is Giuliani's even more radical liberalism. We need put aside the liberal candidates find a good compromise candidate that we can elect. Giuliani is FAR too liberal to qualify as an acceptable candidate. I'm all for compromise - let's find a somewhat conservative candidate - say Jim Gilmore - that we can agree upon and support. Duncan Hunter too conservative? Fine. Giuliani is too liberal. Let's find the guy in the middle and support him.
But the constant open campaigning for the radically liberal Giuliani is causing so much division here that we can't get done what we're here to do - promote and elect conservatives and support conservativism. The consequences of people abusing this forum to campaign for such a radical liberal are displayed for all to see as the forum devolves into near civil war.
I too have the carter years etched in my skin like a painful tattoo that I can't wash off.
Hillary is such a dork, that she is very likely to be just like him, and she has high level socialist connections and training. No submarines or peanut farms. (Actually, Carter never saw a sub, IIRC) LOL!
These social argument came because of the Democrats arrogant moves as they shifted left and tried to make us more European. This started a backlash that continues today as their ACLU continues to gin up controversy. They knew that they could use the backlash to frame conservatives as kooks, and Bible thumpin kool aid drinkers, and the MSM is totally on board with the tactic.
Every time the MSM drops one of Rudy's old quotes, they know what the result is going to be, and the social conservatives jump in unison like a bunch of frogs in a electrified bucket of water.
What is so aggravating, is that you point this connection out to them, over and over again, and they still cannot see what they are doing to themselves and the party.
I don't know about you, but I would be very po'D if someone was constantly yanking my chain! I would be embarrassed to have allowed this to happen!
But they are PO'd at the people the MSM tells them to be PO'd at, and not the true culprit. Not the real enemy. Not the chain puller.
4 posted on 01/02/2007 6:50:35 AM MST by Miss Marple
Yeah boy!