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To: Al Simmons
Some additional data. This data indicates that the American public identifies itself as 36% conservative, 41% moderate and 18% liberal. Any viable Presidential candidate is going to have to make inroads into the moderate vote. Happily, the task for a Republican is less difficult than a Democrat who has to convince many more moderates he's not a moonbat.

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 02/28/2007 8:03:14 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
Happily, the task for a Republican is less difficult than a Democrat who has to convince many more moderates he's not a moonbat.

Except that moonbats are far more at ease with lying to promote their agenda, so in that way it is far easier for a Democrat to pretend to be a moderate.

16 posted on 02/28/2007 8:07:11 AM PST by Always Right
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To: MadIvan

Damn straight! The tent has to be big enough to win elections or the conservatives will get NOTHING that they desire. I favor Hunter in the primaries, but I will vote for Rudy against any dim candidate imaginable!


50 posted on 02/28/2007 8:23:26 AM PST by darth
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To: MadIvan

Great point Ivan, and I suggest to us all that we look at the past historical data to see how the GOP can do that.

When the GOP tacks left, they lose elections, generally speaking.

When the GOP tacks right, they win elections, generally speaking.

Reagan got elected on a conservative, optimistic platform. The GOP took the Congress in 1994 by way of presenting a conservative plan of action to the American people. I wager that the majority of moderates (who themselves, of course, form a spectrum right-moderate to left-moderate) have more of an affinity for conservatism than they do for liberalism. The GOP primary voters and party leaders should remember the lessons of history.


60 posted on 02/28/2007 8:29:46 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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To: MadIvan

Wow....great info ....Thanks for the Link!!!!


90 posted on 02/28/2007 9:21:22 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: MadIvan
This data indicates that the American public identifies itself as 36% conservative, 41% moderate and 18% liberal. Any viable Presidential candidate is going to have to make inroads into the moderate vote. Happily, the task for a Republican is less difficult than a Democrat who has to convince many more moderates he's not a moonbat.

It's a shame that a good portion of the Republican party sits firmly to the left of "moderate" territory. And when they continue to turn left, they lose voters like myself.

I am a conservative and no longer identify myself as a Republican. Doesn't mean I won't vote for SOME Republicans, but I will NOT vote party line any more. I haven't left the party; the party has left me.

100 posted on 02/28/2007 9:36:19 AM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: MadIvan
This data indicates that the American public identifies itself as 36% conservative, 41% moderate and 18% liberal.

Truth to tell many 'liberal' Democrats like me describe themselves as Moderate just so we are not compared to Jesse Jackson and Chris Dodd rabble rousers, so the one/third breaks serve the purpose of best describing how the public thinks of itself...when they dare. Being a 'liberal' is only chic in academia and the arts.

On the other hand some conservatives don't want to be labeled such in case the audience thinks Pat Robertson or Ralph Reed so they claim to be 'moderates'.

That said, the problem for the GOP is not the battle from the Gingrich wing. It is the lack of a real headline hog popular with the press who can win.

My fear is that if the GOP continues to allow the right wing nuts to prevail in their venomous attacks, then my nightmare of HRC in the WH will haunt me into my grave.

Trust me on this: Whatever you do in your discussions stop making this site look like a primary for the Westboro Baptist Church crowd, because that is what internal polling shows about the forthcoming DLC attack plan...make as many independents and moderates think of anyRepublican nominee as an ignorant knuckledragging misspelled sign carrying 'God Hates Fags' flame throwing baby killer (I know that last is impossible to fathom...but that is how it happens to fall.)

465 posted on 02/28/2007 12:26:12 PM PST by harrowup (Gore will end the Hillary-Barack sideshow by announcing in November 2007)
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To: MadIvan
Happily, the task for a Republican is less difficult than a Democrat who has to convince many more moderates he's not a moonbat.

I absolutely accept what you, and Common Tator are propounding. Although I have been in the Conservative movement since the late '50s, I absolutely vote for the party selected Republican candidates, no matter how far from me to the Left I may think they are.

My theory is my Mother's "Blind Date," theory. She advised me to NEVER turn down a blind date, because (besides them invariably being daughters of her friends), "If I didn't particularly like them, they were sure to have a friend that I would like."

My RINO's have friends who are further to the right than they are and will appoint them to those posts with which the real power is wielded over me (and you) in this country. DINO's on the other hand have friends I loathe as much as I do them. Just look at the lasting damage Jimmy Carter inflicted on us with his far-left Jimmy-Jerk-Judges!

I do not understand, however, and never will, how Al Gore and John Kerry, both clearly sociopathic to a remarkable degree, almost became president, each winning 50%.

I do know how Clinton, a patently obvious borderline psychopath, became president, when Ross Perot kept those "in the middle" away from Bush I, and then the totally hapless Dole.

I hope we do not see a "Bull Moose" candidacy in 2008.

2,067 posted on 03/02/2007 9:36:25 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Don't get excited. It is simply our turn in history to cut Islam back..)
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