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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

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To: Corin Stormhands

LOL. I said a few weeks ago that I thought fair number of freepers were mentally disturbed. These posts are proving me right every single day.


521 posted on 02/28/2007 12:38:01 PM PST by Peach
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To: M. Thatcher

Brits don't get a vote here, silly!


522 posted on 02/28/2007 12:38:11 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!)
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To: M. Thatcher

Excellent.


523 posted on 02/28/2007 12:38:31 PM PST by Peach
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To: Howlin

459 and 460. He spent awhile composing them both and hit the desktop and laptop enter button at the same time.


524 posted on 02/28/2007 12:38:43 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
And you, sir, are fooling yourself if you think I even mentioned Rudy's name. The qualifications of a strong leader to protect this nation will apply to any candidate who has a chance to win over the dems.

I am as pro-life as anybody here, having given birth to 5 children. I am pro-gun as anybody here, owning 2 myself. As for homosexuality, well science is still out on whether homosexuality is genetic or environmental.

525 posted on 02/28/2007 12:38:46 PM PST by Carolinamom (Whatever you voted for, you did not vote for failure -- President Bush SOTU)
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To: McGavin999
And you're from Arizona, what's it to you?

The election of liberal RINO Schwartzenkennedy was a dress rehearsal for the attempt to elect liberal Giuliani. Same arguments, same rationalization, same marginalization of the social conservative base of the party, same crap.

526 posted on 02/28/2007 12:39:02 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: madprof98; Torie
Subsequently, the Great Society and the McGovern movement drove the social conservatives into the GOP camp. It was these Reagan Democrats who made the GOP a majority. Now the Rudybots are doing all in their power to throw us out so they can return the party to the glory days of Gerald Ford and Nelson Rockefeller. If Rudy gets the nomination, they will have succeeded.

You didn't have to agree with Reagan on social issues to vote for him. Northeastern liberal and moderate Republicans voted for him. And you didn't have to agree with him on economic or constitutional questions either. Southern and Catholic Democrats were also for Reagan. To vote for Reagan, you had to A) want to stand up to the Soviets and B) want to put recession and inflation behind us.

I don't know if Rudy would make a good or a bad president. I certainly disagree with him about a lot of things. What people are responding to in Giuliani, though, is the same kind of broad, popular, patriotic appeal that Reagan enjoyed. Those Reagan Democrats, if they're still there, aren't going to vote for Duncan Hunter, but it looks as though they may vote for Giuliani.

Whatever Rudy is or isn't, he certainly isn't John Lindsay, or even Nelson Rockefeller. It may not look like that the further you get from New York, but in the context of local politics he was very much the anti-Lindsay, and at least a little bit the anti-Rockefeller.

527 posted on 02/28/2007 12:39:09 PM PST by x
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To: Fierce Allegiance; M. Thatcher

M.Thatcher lives in NY.


528 posted on 02/28/2007 12:39:10 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Rex Anderson

I've made that argument to him a few times and only get silence or some babble back in response.


529 posted on 02/28/2007 12:39:24 PM PST by Peach
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To: Howlin

Should your posts with all thatunladylike profanity be restored as well? Muahahaha! Turnabout is fair play, dearie.

Geez, you really hate it when people beat you at your own game, huh?


530 posted on 02/28/2007 12:39:27 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!)
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To: Peach
Not to worry, the nice lady with the pill cart will be by soon...


531 posted on 02/28/2007 12:39:31 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Al Gore needs to reduce his carbon butt-print.)
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To: Guenevere
Are you implying I don't stand up for my country? How dare you!

You'd think someone called you a treasonous liberal.

532 posted on 02/28/2007 12:39:41 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Cold Heat
But that might be asking for too much too soon, as we have not yet hit bottom.

An interesting choice of words. I was reading Common Tator's post, and persuing the replies on this thread, when that thought ran through my head. "Republicans and conservatives are spiraling out of control, and it won't get better until we hit rock bottom"

2008 will likely be the bottom. At this rate, given the deep divisiveness here, and the angry, anti-Bush unity on the left, 2008 will be a Democratic sweep. A combination of Iraq and border policy has shattered the right, while the left and the center are gaining momentum.

If we're unable to honestly assess the mood of the country, and rally behind a leader acceptable to the majority, we'll lose. As of this thread, it seems that conservativism in general doesn't care about doing either of those things.

534 posted on 02/28/2007 12:40:53 PM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: Jim Robinson
You left out amnesty and sanctuary city policies (it's hard to keep track of all of Rudy's liberal past). I know for a fact the Dem House is working on immigration "reform" legislation and hope to have it done by the end of Spring. And I doubt the RINOs in the Senate will go for a filibuster, given their past votes on the issue. And Bush is more than willing to sign the bill.

Of course, between having an amnesty before securing the borders and Ahnold wanting to give illegals health care, that will only MASSIVELY INCREASE illegal immigration. If the GOP turns around and nominates a pro-amnesty candidate, that alone could be sufficient to rift the party. Throw in Rudy's other liberal positions and the party will be giving the finger to conservatives. But of course, they will still expect our vote come November. After all, if we are unwilling to let go of 80 percent of our core values, we are unappeasables and 100 percenters, using the new RINO math.

536 posted on 02/28/2007 12:41:37 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, whether you like it or not, abortion IS a woman's right this minute; I have yet to see any of you provide the details about just how it will be defeated by liberals.

And the POTUS doesn't have much to do with it.

And in this election abortion isn't going to be a big issue.

And in this election gay rights isn't going to be an issue.

And we have no business in ANYBODY'S bedroom.

I've yet to see anybody say teaching homosexuality in school is a good thing; perhaps you can provide a link for that and I'll change my statement on that.


And I said we have to compromise to win because there aren't enough of us to win and we need to appeal to independents.

Now, can you prove me wrong on that, or are you advocating a loss in 2008.

If so, just how will that further your agenda?



537 posted on 02/28/2007 12:41:42 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Peach
Sure. Read Howlin's post about we must compromise with liberals because conservative principles can't win(just a few posts up on this thread). I'm not going to go back and look for others, but I might start collecting some as I read further and call them to your attention. Might even start a FReepers for Rudy's liberal positions ping list if you want. I'm sure we'll get plenty of conservatives to help collect the liberal position nonsense and ping you to it. Could be interesting.
538 posted on 02/28/2007 12:42:04 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: Rex Anderson

Oh, and I meant to say, I have an article in my file that Sen. Brownback would support Rudy as presidential nominee, but thinks that he (Brownback) will enter race. (This was before Brownback announced)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1752817/posts



Ultra social conservative Pat Robertson thinks Rudy would make a good president.

Asked if Giuliani would be an acceptable 2008 presidential candidate to Christian conservatives, Pat Robertson told ABC's "This Week:" "He did a super job running the city of New York and I think he'd make a good president."


539 posted on 02/28/2007 12:42:31 PM PST by Peach
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To: Cold Heat

I don't know one candidate that runs on that platform especially at the Presidential level. It was an appeasement to special interest groups so they could go away happy and then gets put back in a drawer for four more years. The more I think about it the less happy I am with Rove and his reaching out to the wrong group for votes -- he pandered.


540 posted on 02/28/2007 12:42:32 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- RudyforPresident2008@yahoogroups.com or http://www.rudygforamerica.com)
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