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To: WashingtonSource

Yes, precisely, see what is there.

You say that it's all Muslims being born.
No, it isn't. Look at the large white families in France. They are everywhere, you see more and more of them. Whatever you subsidize, you get more of. See what is there.

I do not minimize the rioting.
I see precisely what happened. A lot of property damage for a month, and only one death. That is significant. It fits the complicated French pattern of behavior, not the jihad. See what is there.

The Beurs have SAID, over and over again, what pisses them off: police brutality and no jobs. Now, Americans sitting over hear can hear "Islam and Sharia", but that is adding things and choosing to see something that one is choosing to see. See what is there.

As to a religious revival, yes I do rule it out. How is Catholicism going to "revive" there? Hardcore evangelicals have no chance at all. First, there's the cultural opposition. Second, the French are not going to overthrow Darwin for creationism. That's an American thing, and the French have no interest at all in going down what they see as an obscurantist spider hole. So, what's left? Catholicism. Catholicism says that if you masturbate you go to hell, let alone have sex with your girlfriend, or cohabitate, or have children out of wedlock. Most French people think this is absurd old claptrap, and they're not going to have any of it. You're not going to persuade the French - there is no WAY to persuade the French - to reverse the Sexual Revolution AND the French Revolution and go back to a day when (non-celibate) priests are telling everybody to be guilty about sex or the ghost in the basement is going to get you. That will never happen. The French don't believe it, and they are going back to believing it.
If you can have a Catholicism that doesn't insist that people have to be married in order to have sex, live together, and raise children, French men might listen, maybe, but even then probably not, because they would see it as a complete sellout of the religion. To bring a new Christianity into France you'd have to unsex the French. There is no way.
Even the Beur kids are into it. Indeed, that is precisely why Mohammed can't compete there. Nobody likes to be told what to do, ESPECIALLY in their most intimate life. That is what religions do, in the eyes of secular people. Indeed, that's the main OBSESSION of religion, as far as secular Frenchmen can tell: to try and tell people who they can sleep with and how and when. To secular people, it's absurd.

What's the payoff? What's the reward? That cat can't be walked back. Had the Church behaved well during all those long centuries, it would have been one thing. But people remember how pettily oppressive so many priests and nuns were. There is no way to reconvert the French.


32 posted on 02/27/2007 6:49:02 PM PST by Vicomte13 (La Reine est gracieuse, mais elle n'est pas gratuite.)
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To: Vicomte13
Once again you give me anecdotes -- lots of white people having babies. Anecdotal evidence is not particularly valuable. It's my understanding the French do not even collect data on births based on race. So, you have no data to back up what you're saying. It's just an impression.

Also, as to a revival of Christainity, you're far more defeatist than I imagined. People throughout the eons and today have decided in favor of Catholic values, including the belief that sex belongs only in marriage between a man and a woman. The fact you cannot imagine French men and women capable of this view is astonishing. So, the basic identity of French people is that any sex any where any time. No different than the Playboy philosophy? I know I've met people in France who are not like that. They, in fact, believe in Catholic dogma.

36 posted on 02/28/2007 4:29:06 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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