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Thinking Hard About Voting For Rudy Guiliani
The Bulletin ^
| Feb. 22, 2007
| Maggie Gallagher
Posted on 02/23/2007 7:05:51 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
you have the choice Hillary vs. RudyThere is a lot of bad road between Feb '07 and November '08.
It ain't over 'till it's over.
But for those who really prefer to vote against the murder of babies, neither is an acceptable choice.
For those of us who believe in our right to own 'ugly' guns, neither is an acceptable choice.
For those of us who believe that our borders need to be secured, again, neither is an acceptable choice.
I won't bother to use up the bandwith to retrace the myriad reasons why I believe that nominating Rudy is the best way to guarantee a Democrat in the White House, but those certainly are in the top 5 among a number of folks, myself included.
On the issues, I will vote my concience, not the party line. I am a conservative who has voted Republican because the Party generally has fielded candidates who are more closely aligned with my views on the issues. When there is no difference, when both candidates are in juxtaposition with my viewpoint, I will vote for neither as both are unsuitable. At least when I meet my maker I will not have voted to continue the incredible slaughter of innocents which has been perpetrated since Roe.
It does seem to me, though, that whomever is nominated by the Republicans, if running against Hillary, will have a substantial following of anti-Hillary votes, so why not nominate a conservative?
If part of the base will not vote for a liberal Republican candidate, why not nominate someone palatable to the conservatives?
The lesson of 2006 is there for those who will see it. The conservatives defeated were heavily targeted by the Dems and abandoned by the Republicans: they got beat (Santorum, et al). The remainder were 'moderates' beaten by blue dog dems who ran to the right of them on the issues.
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posted on
02/24/2007 2:05:24 AM PST
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
To: Rudder; All
If Rudy Giuliani were running for the DEMOCRATIC nomination for President, would you cross party lines and vote for him?
Yep---If the GOP candidate was McCain or Hagel.
Damn man, that's like having to choose between e.coli in your food or just plain salmonella.
Pardon me while I gag at that prospect, lol
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posted on
02/24/2007 3:30:23 AM PST
by
mkjessup
(If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
To: Al Simmons; All
Al, your tagline is inspiring:
Thou Shalt Speak No Ill of Another Republican - Ronald Wilson Reagan's 11th Commandment
Unfortunately, one has to be a REAL Republican before that 11th Commandment kicks in.
I will have to see Ronald Reagan descending from the clouds with a "Rudy '08" banner in his hand, before I will believe that he would want me to endorse, support and vote for Rudy Giuliani.
See MY tagline if you want to be enlightened, our beloved 40th President would never endorse an alleged Republican that saw no problem with sticking a needle into the base of the skull of an almost born infant, sucking it's brains out, and then discarding it like garbage.
Shame on you for even suggesting it.
383
posted on
02/24/2007 3:35:27 AM PST
by
mkjessup
(If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
To: WestVirginiaRebel
"That is about the level of discourse I have come to expect from the Rudy haters and "Real conservatives" who are increasingly delusional."
Then get used to it. It's the truth, RINO.
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posted on
02/24/2007 3:52:31 AM PST
by
toddlintown
(Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
To: Gracey
Sounds like you follow a cheating RINO.
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posted on
02/24/2007 3:53:33 AM PST
by
toddlintown
(Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
To: FairOpinion
So again: you have the choice Hillary vs. Rudy. Why are Giuliani supporters only interested in pitting him against Hillary? Come on, most Republicans will vote for a stray dog with rabies (with an R after its name) rather than vote for Hillary.
And I don't agree that he would be a strong candidate for the general election. His liberal views would doom him in many states that have to be red.
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posted on
02/24/2007 4:05:22 AM PST
by
FreePoster
(Duncan Hunter in 2008)
To: FairOpinion
I will gladly support Hunter in the primaries, and Rudy in the general election. I DO NOT WANT HILLARY AS PRESIDENT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
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posted on
02/24/2007 4:05:33 AM PST
by
Fresh Wind
(Vaclav Klaus: "A whip of political correctness strangles their voice")
To: editor-surveyor; JamesP81
"We can go for a real candidate that we don't need to hold our nose to vote for."
Are you sure? I notice you've mentioned no names...
To: FairOpinion
I am a Christian and as an evangelical, I'd rather see a Christian in the Oval Office because I believe that that solid rock is the one to stand on -- it's the best possible base. That having been said...I would rather vote for a man who opposes abortion, Morman or not, and who stands for family values than someone who PROFESSES to be a Christian and leans towards liberalism. I keep reading that conservatives are putting too much importance on the issue of abortion. Hey...to those being aborted (excuse me, murdered, ripped limb from limb, having their brains sucked out), it's an aboslutely IMPERATIVE issue. Since when did legalalized murder become a secondary issue?
Romney has my vote if he gets the nomination.
To: Jorge
So I guess that means you prefer Hitlary or Obama. Your guess is incorrect.
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posted on
02/24/2007 5:26:56 AM PST
by
SIDENET
(Voting for a liberal doesn't advance Conservatism.)
To: Old_Mil
(1) Rudy's the only electable candidate. Wrong. It has been explained over and over that people who care about traditional values simply will not vote for a candidate who is the mirror image of Hillary on such issues. As a result, he's bound to lose. This has been explained to you people now, while you still have the opportunity to abandon his candidacy and support a sensible conservative candidate. Your response is to insist that he will win and alternatively blame people who don't support him (4/5ths of the party) for electing Hillary. Perhaps your support of such a divisive figure is to blame to begin with. (2) Rudy's the logical choice to lead the war on terror. I'm not sure where this delusion originated - perhaps a CNN interview. The man has no military experience. He has no foreign policy experience. He's never even held statewide office. He's the least logical choice to lead the WOT out there, and on par with Bill Clinton.
***************
Excellent points.
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posted on
02/24/2007 5:42:03 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: DocH
Whatever you want to call it. You just keep telling yourself you're RIGHT as in correct.
Are you really a Republican ?
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posted on
02/24/2007 5:45:33 AM PST
by
merry10
(http://joinrudy2008.com)
To: DocH
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posted on
02/24/2007 5:46:33 AM PST
by
merry10
(http://joinrudy2008.com)
To: Torie
Thank you! That's what I got out of the research as well -- hope they believe you more than me but somehow I doubt if anyone will let go of this issue since they are still on other issues that have been proven wrong.
Latest they posted is that Rudy endorsed Clinton which is a lie! They have now gone from spin to outright lies which tells me that Rudy is gaining more momentum.
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posted on
02/24/2007 6:08:52 AM PST
by
PhiKapMom
(Broken Glass Republican -- RudyforPresident2008@yahoogroups.com or http://www.rudygforamerica.com/fo)
To: PhiKapMom
They have now gone from spin to outright lies which tells me that Rudy is gaining more momentum.Try to imagine a candidate who would be acceptable to the average anti-Rudy poster here getting elected to a national office in this country.
Just try.
To: FairOpinion
It's hard to see a state that George Bush won in which Rudy Giuliani will not beat Hillary Clinton. And he will put a whole slew of new blue states into play: Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, to name just three. (The latest Quinnipiac poll shows Giuliani in a dead heat with Clinton in Connecticut.) Which puts people like me, who care very deeply about marriage and life issues, in the position of thinking hard about Rudy.
THIS is shear idiocy, period - end - stop.
- Rudy will NOT carry any state every state Dubya did, FAR FROM it.
- The NRA will eviscerate Rudy, he won't carry one state with CCW, which IIRC is 37.
- The latest Quinnipiac had Rudy LOSING NY to Hillary 50% - 40%, that's 31 EV's missy.
So 'possibly' picking up 7, that's SEVEN, EV's in Conn. is meaningless.
- Anyone who thinks that LIBERAL Rudy will put Blue states in play is a MORON. Nov 6th showed that when faced with a RAT or RAT Lite (like Rudy), the Dem voters take the RAT.
- Play the EV Game. Go ahead, even give Rudy every state that touches water on both coats - HE GETS CREAMED.
It's people like this Maggie Gallagher who give cause to repeal the 19th Amendment. Some women are just to STOO-PID to vote!
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posted on
02/24/2007 6:25:57 AM PST
by
Condor51
(Rudy makes John Kerry look like a 'Right Wing Extremist'.)
To: FairOpinion
As an upside, Rudy's nomination might finally destroy the GOP.
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posted on
02/24/2007 7:12:12 AM PST
by
nonliberal
(Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
To: merry10
To: FairOpinion
Ask yourself: "What judges will Hillary put on the Supreme Court"? THAT is what will make a difference for the next 50 years. Pretty bad if you need to use hitlery to sell rudy.
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posted on
02/24/2007 7:49:45 AM PST
by
beltfed308
(Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
To: NapkinUser
...when the GOP was run by moderate Country Club Republicans who considered conservatives to be extremists. Gosh, that sounds like....now.
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posted on
02/24/2007 8:02:36 AM PST
by
Doohickey
(I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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