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George Will: Confounding Expectations, Giuliani Upends Assumptions
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 2/18/07 | George Will

Posted on 02/19/2007 6:38:26 AM PST by meg88

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To: Austin Willard Wright
No, I praise his enforcing the laws and not tolerating the crap that others ignored so they could go after Big Crime instead of the Big Picture. Dirty, little secret, more people were killed in NYC by knives and other pointy things in NYC than were killed by guns. Assault weapons? Not even an issue.

It didn't take a lot of sense to figure out that if someone is going to rob you at knifepoint on the subway, he's problably not going to pay his fare either. Hey, why not arrest the turnstile jumpers and check their pockets. Run a check on them, too.

It also shouldn't have taken a lot of common sense to realize that NYC did not need THREE separate police departments. Rudy forced the merger of them. You used to be able to rob a liquor store and run in the subways. Cops couldn't follow (or, if they could, they didn't) because of jurisdiction issues.

Common sense more than anything.

41 posted on 02/19/2007 7:58:18 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Math Teachers Know ALL the Angles!)
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To: All

Run Rudy Run! I like the part where George says, our frontrunner candidate is doing better than expected and the Dem's frontrunners are stumbling. I love it.


42 posted on 02/19/2007 7:58:24 AM PST by ClarenceThomasfan (In 2008 Republicans will unite around Guiliani, McCain or Romney and whoop Hillary in a Landslide!!)
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To: Tanniker Smith
No, I praise his enforcing the laws and not tolerating the crap that others ignored so they could go after Big Crime instead of the Big Picture. Dirty, little secret, more people were killed in NYC by knives and other pointy things in NYC than were killed by guns. Assault weapons? Not even an issue.

Not even an issue? Rudy, who loudly praised the AW ban and Brady Bill, for helping him disagrees. It seems hat you believe Rudy can do no wrong and any rationalization will do to selll your shining knight on the white horse to conservatives. I remember tangling with a pro-Mitt poster who had as similar unquestioning down-the-line loyalty to his candidate and endless ratioanlizations up his sleave.

Hey, I reallly like Ron Paul (and will vote for him).....but I don't think he is a god who can do no wrong.

43 posted on 02/19/2007 8:05:23 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: zarf

LOL! Bump.


44 posted on 02/19/2007 8:29:53 AM PST by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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To: Tanniker Smith; Austin Willard Wright; patriot preacher; ASA Vet; Dog Gone

i think that perhaps in this race we have to be a relativist about who we support. I don't think any leading candidate is a perfect representative of conservative principles.

So when you say that you "can't vote for him" because of certain stands, I think it's instructive to compare them to the stands others have. For example, I think we can all agree that Rudy is a preferable candidate to John McCain, since John is an even less satisfactory supporter of conservative principles.

People seem to be saying pretty much the same stuff about Rommey they do about Rudy, except that he's less well known and doesn't have Rudy's impressive track record in NYC.

Most of the issues I hear intense feelings about are issues that I don't think any Presidential candidate is going to affect significantly. Realistically, I don't see abortion law changing, and I don't see gun control changing. Because of this, in all honesty, I think people are wasting their time even asking candidates about their beliefs on these issues.

So really, the issues boil down to the war, where we know Rudy will excel, tax cuts and economic freedom, where we know he will excel, and immigration, where we know he will probably forge a compromise of some kind.

My conclusion is that Rudy's an excellent candidate, probably the best we have, as long as opposition to illegal immigration is not your sole issue.

But if illegal immigration is your sole issue, I don't know if there is any first-tier candidate that has an acceptable position. Unless you think Tom Tancredo or Duncan Hunter will achieve traction against people who already have national reputations, I think we have to take the candidates as they are, and judge them in comparison to each other.

In short, I'd like to see the conversation here changed from who we OPPOSE to the more positive and sensible who can we SUPPORT. I look forward to reading your thoughts.

D


45 posted on 02/19/2007 8:30:37 AM PST by daviddennis (If you like my stuff, please visit amazing.com, my new social networking site!)
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To: meg88

Go Rudy!!!!!!!!!!

He is the only Republican that can win.


46 posted on 02/19/2007 8:34:50 AM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: Hydroshock; Spiff; narses


George Will still pimping for Rudy Giuliani ping.
47 posted on 02/19/2007 8:52:03 AM PST by TitansAFC (Liberalism is social terrorism, and it's much closer to home. No to Rudy, under any circumstance!)
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To: FightThePower!

If Rino Rudy is th only one we have that can win, he isn't. Then we should lose. And he will. He is an unelcetable liberal who will split the party.


48 posted on 02/19/2007 8:53:52 AM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Tanniker Smith
And, please, note my original post, which was not an endorsement of Rudy, but an indictment of anyone who thought that he wasn't going to be a player in this election cycle.

An indictment? People who don't agree with you should be indicted?

Anyway, he will be a major player. He is the best instrument by which the liberal media can try to destroy the Republican coalition. Perhaps permanently. That's why Rudy is their new 'favorite maverick Republican' instead of McStain.

You'll see.
49 posted on 02/19/2007 8:55:04 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
50% of the same group says a candidate's support for abortion rights would make them less likely to vote for him.

Less likely relative to What? ...........Hilderbeast?

50 posted on 02/19/2007 8:59:24 AM PST by scannell
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To: daviddennis

Illegal immigration? That's not my issue. Rudy's main failing in my book is his continuing support for federal, state, and local gun control laws.


51 posted on 02/19/2007 9:02:52 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: patriot preacher

Muslims will be exploding bombs in Boise, but we will all thank God that Patriot Preacher's principals remained pure through each explosion.


52 posted on 02/19/2007 9:06:39 AM PST by Tennessean4Bush (When you're flat on your back, everything is looking up.)
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To: scannell

How about relative to the candidates running in the primary that takes place a year from now.


53 posted on 02/19/2007 9:08:14 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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To: Tennessean4Bush; patriot preacher

VOTE RUDY OR YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!


54 posted on 02/19/2007 9:09:43 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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To: meg88
George Will just recently dumped Ronald Reagan on his personal ash heap of irrelevance. He had to do that to clear the way for the radically left Giuliani.
55 posted on 02/19/2007 9:10:56 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: kidd

"most sane people are to the right of Hillary Clinton" correction anyone who isn't a Trotskyite is to the right of Hillary Clinton.


56 posted on 02/19/2007 9:23:02 AM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: JCEccles
George Will just recently dumped Ronald Reagan on his personal ash heap of irrelevance.

Will's just looking for some good company.

57 posted on 02/19/2007 9:43:06 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

ROTF!


58 posted on 02/19/2007 9:50:55 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Reagan would vote for Hunter)
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To: patriot preacher

1 through 4 says he can't possibly win the election.


59 posted on 02/19/2007 9:55:00 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Reagan would vote for Hunter)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Didn't he say NYC was a special situation and he did not want to impose NYC standards on the country?

I believe him, because involvement in gun control is one thing politicians are not rewarded for on a national level - they get killed by both sides.

So why would this impact your vote, when you know he won't get involved?

D


60 posted on 02/19/2007 10:05:40 AM PST by daviddennis (If you like my stuff, please visit amazing.com, my new social networking site!)
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