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'Original' great ape discovered [New genus "Missing Link" found!]
BBC ^ | 2/18/07 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 02/18/2007 11:40:54 PM PST by LibWhacker

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To: RadioAstronomer

Riiiiiiiight....you can call yourself an ape all day long.....doesn't make it so, I guess you can't handle "HUMAN"????


101 posted on 02/19/2007 1:42:22 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Alouette

I was wondering when the Helen Thomas jokes would start. My mistake was searching for the words "Helen Thomas."


102 posted on 02/19/2007 1:42:54 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: Alouette

LOL! I thought it looked like Helen Thomas, too!


103 posted on 02/19/2007 1:44:35 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Suzy Quzy
I don't know how anybody who's been to both a grade school playground and the monkey house at the zoo can deny that humans are apes.

Takes all kinds.

104 posted on 02/19/2007 1:44:55 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: Dinsdale

OK...you're an ape if that makes you feel good.


105 posted on 02/19/2007 1:46:33 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Suzy Quzy

We are apes. The new world has native monkeys, but no native apes, which probably means we originated somewhere in the old world where the rest of the native ape species are found.


106 posted on 02/19/2007 1:47:20 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Well said. Apes and Humans are different, That is why there is a missing link. Because the link doesn't exist. Apes are apes. Humans were created in the image of god.


107 posted on 02/19/2007 1:49:52 PM PST by BobinIL
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To: Suzy Quzy

>>Riiiiiiiight....you can call yourself an ape all day long.....doesn't make it so, I guess you can't handle "HUMAN"????<<

Its a way to classify species - its not a moral judgment. As I mentioned above, even to our closest match DNA wise - the Chimpanzee there are still 40 million DNA differences - that's enough to be in the same family but we're in a different genus and then a different species and subspecies.

You can spin that different ways depending on your outlook.


108 posted on 02/19/2007 1:51:03 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: fish hawk

.....They had to call it a "missing link" to promote Darwinism......

They use the term because it is all they know to call it, and like style books that confuse cement with concrete, the use of missing link is mandatory.


109 posted on 02/19/2007 1:51:36 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Want a stress free life? vote Republican..)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Like it or not, Human is classified as a great Ape.
110 posted on 02/19/2007 2:00:33 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior and Founding Member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer

I really don't care what I am classified as....I KNOW what I am.....a child of GOD, made in his image and likeness.


111 posted on 02/19/2007 2:35:31 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: LibertarianSchmoe

How about? We found a new skelton. It's hominid. It doesn't match anything else we've found so far but it closely resmebles ______. We're investigating it further to see where it would best fit in the classification system.


112 posted on 02/19/2007 2:58:40 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RadioAstronomer; Suzy Quzy
It's just a classification system designed by men. Saying we're apes doesn't mean we ARE apes. Just because there are many features that are similar is not *proof* that we evolved from an ape-like ancestor. DNA regulating certain features is of necessity going to be the same. We look alike, live in the same environment, eat and metabolise the same foods, breathe the same air. It can be as much evidence of common design. If a gene is successful in expressing certain characteristics, then what's the problem with using it in many different creatures?

If the genetics of living organisms were wildly different, no doubt that would be used as evidence against creation/ID also, with the reaoning that *If the designer were so intelligent, why would he make things so different? It's not efficient. It doesn't make sense.*

Heads I win, tails you lose.

113 posted on 02/19/2007 3:10:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Don't waste your time.
Right it off as just another initially interesting science thread high-jacked by the deliberately ignorant.
114 posted on 02/19/2007 7:13:58 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: KeepUSfree

"Some of the "missing links" may never be known - nobody saw you - maybe you were alone. "

Yeah, that's the point. You don't really know if two fossils are related without all of the links in between.

How do you know two things are related if there are huge gaps in between? The answer is that you can't know for certain, but we are told by archaeologists all the time that one animal is descended from another -- without sufficient evidence.

It's all based on assumptions and suppositions. Apparently as long as I can imagine something a certain way that's all the data that's needed.


115 posted on 02/19/2007 7:17:42 PM PST by webstersII
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To: LibWhacker

If our ancestors were apes, why are apes still around?


116 posted on 02/19/2007 7:34:04 PM PST by baubau (BOYCOTT Bank of America for Issuing Credit Cards to 3rd World Illegal Aliens.)
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To: baubau

There never was a genetic link between Humans and apes. The DNA research shows no resemblance what so ever.

Therefore;

Humans are humans.

Apes are still apes. That's the difference.


117 posted on 02/19/2007 7:42:19 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: baubau
If our ancestors were apes, why are apes still around?

The classic argument of the epistemophobic.

118 posted on 02/19/2007 7:45:22 PM PST by elkfersupper (Science bounces off the courthouse wall like virtue off a whorehouse.)
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To: LibWhacker

Perhaps its the lighting, but the eye sockets don't seem to match. Must be interesting to deal with these ultimate 3D puzzles.


119 posted on 02/19/2007 8:01:00 PM PST by skr (Freedom is one of the deepest and noblest aspirations of the human spirit. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: metmom
It's just a classification system designed by men. Saying we're apes doesn't mean we ARE apes.

It pretty much does. The word 'ape' is just a sign or a symbol. It has whatever meaning we assign it. Right now, the scientific consensus is that the word 'ape' means 'the hominoids,' which includes humans. It has nothing to do with gods, morality, or metaphysics -- it's just a word used to describe several species.

If you want, you can dismiss that definition as scientific jargon unsuitable for vulgar conversation. But I think it is very suitable for this thread.

120 posted on 02/19/2007 8:17:05 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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