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No offense to anyone, but as much as we see HC for what she is, she has the masses fooled. It would be different if she were an unknown and we had the outlets to get the message out like we did against JK. Most liberals have no problem acknowledging that a vote for Hillary is a vote for Bill. They truly see it as putting Bill Clinton back in the White House - hear this over and over again. Some even ask if Bill can legally run for VP, which he can't. So real world, people have to see that we are running against Bill/Hillary Clinton, because that's how the average voter sees it. And they are willing to give Bill another try. Hillary has a tremendous amount of name recognition. As does Obama. Would hate for either of them to be sworn in. If our candidate was running against another John Kerry, maybe a lesser known Republican candidate might have a chance. John Kerry wasn't very well known prior to his nomination, but Hillary has been on the national scene for 15 years. Real World: Whoever our candidate is, he is running against Bill Clinton via Hillary Clinton and that's how we need to campaign. Rudy vs. Bill/Hill/ 2008 Rudy will win.