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Running the Republican Numbers on Rudy (50% won't support liberal, 57% don't know Rudy is)
Fox News ^ | 18 February 2007 | Tom Bevan

Posted on 02/18/2007 2:31:51 PM PST by Spiff

Running the Republican Numbers on Rudy

Trying to read too much into any 2008 poll at this point, especially with respect to horserace numbers, is somewhat silly and a waste of time. But a recent FOX News poll does have some interesting tidbits in the internals asking about voters' general impressions on issues.

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Are you more who are more or less likely to support a candidate who is pro-choice on the issue of abortion? Republicans only: More likely 22 percent (a lot more likely 12 percent, somewhat more likely 10 percent). Less likely 46 percent (a lot less likely 36 percent, somewhat less likely 10 percent). Not a major factor 30 percent.

Are you more who are more or less likely to support a candidate who supports civil unions for gays and lesbians? Republicans only: More likely 8 percent (a lot more likely 5 percent, somewhat more likely 3 percent). Less likely 50 percent (a lot less likely 39 percent, somewhat less likely 11 percent). Not a major factor 38 percent.

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The biggest red flag for Giuliani has to be that only 42 percent of Republicans surveyed correctly identified him as pro-choice. Twenty-one percent of Republican voters have it wrong and think Giuliani is pro-life, and another 36 percent of Republicans don't have a clue what his position on abortion. In other words, nearly six out of 10 registered Republican voters have yet to learn something about Giuliani which, we can infer from the first question on abortion, will make close to half of them either "somewhat" less likely or "a lot" less likely to vote for him. There's no doubt the same holds true of his position on civil unions for gays, and the Second Amendment as well.


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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: giuliani; gungrabber; msmcandidate; rino; rudy; rudyasureloser; rudytrolls
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To: CindyDawg

You have always been so reasonable. I can't believe you would cast a vote that would put Her Heinous in the White House.


181 posted on 02/18/2007 4:07:22 PM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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To: greene66
And, I don't consider myself a one-issue voter. But, good grief, with just about everything I really, really care about... borders, 2nd-Amendment, civil unions, abortion, and such, it seems that Rudy is on the opposite side. Then, were he to receive the nomination, there'll undoubtedly be, along the way to the election, a steady drumbeat of stomach-churning stories about adultery and mistresses and such. I just can't swallow all that. It's just way too much. And, I'm a lifelong Republican who has always voted for the "R" candidate. But, I'll just have to consider some 3rd-party option, if Rudy is the nominee.

He certainly is opposed to the majority of what Republicans and the Party Platform stand for:

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue
Giuliani Clinton Dem Platform GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion Supports
Opposed
NY ban
Supports Supports Opposes
Roe v. Wade Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment Opposes Opposes Opposes
Defined at
state level
Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/
Civil Unions
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Openly Gay Military Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Sanctuary Cities/
Ignoring Immigration Law
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment Opposes
Opposes Opposes
Supports bans
Supports
Confiscating Guns Supports
Confiscated
as mayor.
Even bragged.
Supports Supports
Supports bans
Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban Supports Supports Supports  
Frivolous Lawsuits
Against Gun Makers
Supports
Filed One
Himself
Supports   Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses Supports Supports   Opposes
War in Afghanistan Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports Supports
War in Iraq Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports
Weak support
Supports
Patriot Act Supports Supports
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Opposes Supports
"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

To: Spiff

Looks pretty accurate to me.

230 posted on 02/10/2007 2:56:00 AM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Ford, Dole, Arnie. Voting for the "unelectable" right-wing kook gave us Ronnie.)

182 posted on 02/18/2007 4:07:26 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: JCEccles
He thinks people are too stupid to see through the word games.

He appears to be right. Look how many he's managed to fool. I see them on nearly every thread, proclaiming Guiliani to be the next Ronald Reagan. Are they really that stupid, or are they just hoping the rest of us are?

183 posted on 02/18/2007 4:09:10 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: NapkinUser

Most likely Newt will evaluate the numbers and not run. He will support Rudy.


184 posted on 02/18/2007 4:09:17 PM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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To: Hildy
Did Reagan ban abortion?<

He signed legislation as gov. of California which he later stated was one of the most regrettable things he had ever done.

Wasn't Reagan for abortion before he was against it?

Reagan was never "for abortion". He was a Christian for all of his life.

185 posted on 02/18/2007 4:09:38 PM PST by jla
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To: Hildy
Reagan didn't get it done (ban abortion). He did have the right change of heart, however.

It's time to back a candidate that will again fight the good fight--not surrender to the culture of death.

That's not Rudy.

186 posted on 02/18/2007 4:09:53 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Spiff
The Human Life Amendment, which would overturn Roe v. Wade and provide protection for unborn children is in the Republican Party platform

The Human Life Amendment has been defunct for about 20 years. If the American people are receptive to such a constitutional amendment, why hasn't it been passed by Congress (that would be the first step)?

Also, don't forget that the HLA would ban abortion even in cases of rape and incest.

you moron.

You don't talk to people like that, brat. Civility is not a concept you're too familiar with, which is also demonstrated by the fact that you spread lies about Republicans you don't like.

are the abortionists who want to force their extreme disregard for human life on Republicans with conscience.

Oh, not really. You know, some people actually have a political sense and know what has a likelihood of passing and what doesn't.
187 posted on 02/18/2007 4:09:55 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: JCEccles

Bush was againt abortion...what the hell did he do? This IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR TIME. What is wrong with you people?


188 posted on 02/18/2007 4:11:04 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: LtdGovt
And, the cemetery is full of indispensable people. Who nows what Rudy would do if he was the CIC. You are putting way too much faith in his abilities.
189 posted on 02/18/2007 4:11:36 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: LtdGovt
I can agree with the rudy-rooters on one thing, winning the WoT is extremely important.

I can't, however, agree with them that the WoT is SO important, that we can afford to give a liberal RINO a pass to the presidency.

RINO-rudy's support of gun-control (a Constitutional issue) and abortion (as much a MORAL issue as a religious one) is a deal killer for me, and MANY like me.

With these things on the table, I'm not focusing on issues like gay marriage (though I think the traditional definition and application should remain between a man and a woman), and I'm certainly not worried about gambling at this point.

I think we can find a real, Conservative (with a capitol "C") that will be tough on the WoT, AND believe in, and support and defend our CORE issues.

Why settle for a RINO when we can have the real deal?

I'd take Hunter, Pence, Huckabee, Tancredo, Newt, or most anyone else over ANY of the three supposedly in front now.

190 posted on 02/18/2007 4:12:08 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: LtdGovt
How many Republicans will not vote for Giuliani because he is opposed to gay marriage? 2? 3?

Not sure what you mean but if it means Guiliani gets the nomination, then we only have the choice of Guiliani or Hillary. At that point, I'll take Guiliani but not until then.

191 posted on 02/18/2007 4:12:17 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Cincinna
I can't believe you would cast a vote that would put Her Heinous in the White House.

I wish people on my side of the debate would stop making this argument. Asking people to vote for candidates they genuinely can't support is immoral.

192 posted on 02/18/2007 4:13:07 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: mariabush

Knows.


193 posted on 02/18/2007 4:13:17 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Hildy
Indeed.

194 posted on 02/18/2007 4:16:03 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt
Oh, not really. You know, some people actually have a political sense and know what has a likelihood of passing and what doesn't.

The Human Life Amendment is in the Republican Party Platform, you moron. Get with the program or get out. You're getting in the way and you bother those Republicans who actually support the ideas enscribed in the platform. Just because you want to declare surrender on one of the core values of the Republican Party, doesn't mean the rest of us want to cooperate with or even tolerate your cut and run crap.

195 posted on 02/18/2007 4:16:39 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: mariabush

Rudy is just one of the candidates whom I like. I like him, Romney and Sanford. And I think it's absolutely crucial that IF he gets the nomination, people who care about the WOT get out and VOTE for him!


196 posted on 02/18/2007 4:17:14 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Hildy
This IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR TIME. What is wrong with you people?

Who has killed more Americans? Terrorists or abortionists?

197 posted on 02/18/2007 4:18:42 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Hildy

President Bush


198 posted on 02/18/2007 4:18:53 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Spiff
We'll educate them (GOP voters who aren't aware of Rudy's policies, stance or promotion of everything that they object to, as pro-life conservatives.) Good for Rudy coming out this early, though it will be very tough on him when the layers get peeled away.

Right now, it's a popularity, name recognition contest. Naturally, the big money guys want to put their money behind the winner but this is not a sprint, it's a long distance run and every serious candidate has a research and publicity team who will make sure that everything that can be learned about a primary opponent, will be out in the open at least "leaked to the press."

199 posted on 02/18/2007 4:19:05 PM PST by zerosix
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To: DocH

Pence, Tancredo and Newt are good, but I don't know how strong they will be in the general election. Hunter is weak on fiscal issues and trade, and Huckabee is a full-blown tax-raising cigarette-hating RINO. But I will vote for anyone who favors the WOT.

As for deal-killers, what would you do if the election was between these two candidates?

A conservative who is pro-choice (and conservative on all other issues)
A liberal who is prolife (and liberal on all other issues).

I would vote for the conservative.


200 posted on 02/18/2007 4:19:15 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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