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To: Vindibudd

>>Classic LIBERAL tactic is ad hominem.
I was not aware that I called you a name, if I did, I apologise.

>>Because you do not like my comments about Mormonism, you attack me personally
>>challenging my conservative credentials.
I questioned your logic, and conservatism is supposed to be logical.

>>And the hysterical thing is my logic being questioned by someone who worships
>>according to an historical liar.
Got proof? Nope = Got nothing.

Any opinions on blacks not being accepted into your high priesthood until 1978?
>>Yep answered that on this thread already.

>>Have you been to the temple yet and gotten your special holy underwear that protects you from harm?
This is really pathetic, there are many religions that have special clothing, Jews wear yamica’s, prayer shawls, some priests wear a special collar, the pope and the cardinals wear special clothing, monks, nuns. All this "special clothing" is accepted by you without thought, but you want to talk about my underwear? OK, the “Underwear” is supposed to protect me by reminding me of the covenants I have made, one of which, is about chastity. Makes sense to me, then again,

I am not the one here being illogical here. Keep on accusin’ you make us look good by comparison.

>>Let me be clear about this, you DO acknowledge that Jesus and Satan are brothers right? Even though Lucifer was an angel and not human nor divine?

Oh, great, so now the biblical teachings we accept are proof we are not Christian?
Let me make this simple:

God created everything that he created spiritually, before he created it physically. Jesus was the first created, and god created all his children, then Jesus being the Chosen before the world was created all that we can see this world, and the entire universe. Lucifer, in the preexistence, rejected the plan of the father which included agency for all God’s children. There was a battle in heaven, and when Lucifer lost, he came here to fight against God’s plan by misleading all he can away from the light.

Are they brothers? Yes, and so are we, but just saying Jesus is Lucifer’s brother is to elevate Lucifer to a position I am not willing to agree to so it’s not a simple question as you would have others believe.

>>Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God. God is God. Satan is not God. Jesus was also
>>man at one point. Therefore Jesus and all mankind can logically be called brothers.
>>Satan is a fallen angel and was never divine.

I can agree with everything you just said, Satan is not divine, and never will be.

>>God does not have a human body.
So, what happened to the resurrected body of Jesus Christ? Was it a temporary resurrection?

>>To suggest that he does is blasphemous.
Jesus was often accused of Blasphemy, so I feel I am in good company here.

I am sorry that Mormons can't get over that. Mormons are not Christians any more than Muslims are.
Mormons’ believe in Jesus Christ, You have no power to affect my salvation, you cannot pry me away from the grace that will save me, no matter what you say, it cannot get between me and my savior. He is mighty to save and you are not involved in the salvation process. Ultimately the only thing that matters is what is in my heart, and whether or not Jesus Christ accepts me. You are not involved.

>>LDS claims to be the one true Christian church and all other Christian churches are false.
Yep, just like all the other Christian churches, Grin.

>>I know you like to be ticky tack about things, so I will go the extra mile and point out the entirety of it.

>>You want to sit here and call me illogical when you claim that the father of all lies is the brother of one who can never lie.
Yes, Jesus, Lucifer, and us, we are all brothers and God the Father is our father. Tell me, why did God create Lucifer? I mean if Lucifer was created to tempt man, does that not mean the God is ultimately responsible for sin? (Logic would say that this cannot be) so How did Lucifer become the father of lies? According to you?

>>That's some tight work. And yes I have spoken with many Mormons.
Yes but did you also listen? You seem to have picked out things you can hang on a wall, out of context and incompletely understood, and now you do not want to understand what you have preserved on your wall.

Be well, Go with God and study that which is before you, with prayer.


67 posted on 02/16/2007 10:04:29 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

Uh no, I as a Baptist do not believe that Baptists are the only one and true Christian church. Lutherans, Episcopalians, Methodists, Catholics et al, do not claim to be the one and only Christian church. Mormons do. You do not even know what you believe.

This is what Christians believe: A person can confess Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior on their death bed and gain entrance into Heaven. Not so with Mormons, you believe in different levels of Heaven and furthermore, you also believe there is no such thing as Hell. Mormons are blasphemers and just because Jews called Jesus a blasphemer does not make your blasphemy against him A-OK.

By the way, Ad Hominem attack is not simply name calling, it is attacking a person's character. You attacked my character. Therefore you attacked me personally rather than my position.


72 posted on 02/17/2007 6:22:49 PM PST by Vindibudd
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