Heard the one about the Mormon President?

Once again, and finally, Mormons are lying when they call themselves Christians. Their doctrine is contrary to Christian belief and to Biblical teaching. Even the Devil can quote Scripture and speak the name of Jesus.

The a devil may talk of Jesus, but will never TESTIFY of Jesus!

That will never happen so you are distoting what I said see how clear and orderly My post #92 was and no attacks on you sir!

I just state my position and your reply were just mean and thoughtless in your reply, Jesus has a very tender heart and if you have the Lord in you where is your tender heart?

So as a profess Christ You claim to be where does that nature come from?

Let me clarify a bit. Our salvation does not depend ENTIRELY on us, yet we are called to trust, be faithful and to obey the Lord and follow him. It's been said the Christian life is almost, but not quite, beyond human capacity.

There are some liberal 'Christian' pastors who preach that obedience is no longer necessary, which is not true and definitely not what I meant.

If Romney can't make up his mind as to where he stands on certain issues, then he's a flip-flopper just like the rest of them.

"Let me clarify a bit. Our salvation does not depend ENTIRELY on us, yet we are called to trust, be faithful and to obey the Lord and follow him. It's been said the Christian life is almost, but not quite, beyond human capacity.
There are some liberal 'Christian' pastors who preach that obedience is no longer necessary, which is not true and definitely not what I meant.

If Romney can't make up his mind as to where he stands on certain issues, then he's a flip-flopper just like the rest of them."

Agreed. We do what we can, and depend on mercy Jesus bought for us with his suffering, death, and resurrection. If we had to face God's justice without that mercy, there would be nothing but damnation for us, as we've all sinned, and fallen (far, far, far!!!) short of the glory of God.

Obedience is necessary. It helps to know what rules to obey. I'd not care to speculate too much on the thief's disposition; perhaps he did some works in his life that Jesus knew of, or perhaps he had no training in proper behavior, and simply followed what he was taught by his elders, and found himself in the company of someone even he could see was something very different from the people he had known, and that knowing was enough. We teach that we much teach, as best we can, correctly, because we will be judged harshly for leading others astray.

I must also state that I did not join the Church lightly; I spent more than three decades trying to find out which church I should belong to, if any.In addition to Christian churches, I also investigated Islam, Buddhism, and several forms of Hinduism, Wicca, and several other forms of neopaganism. When I finally followed my Baptist-minister-stepfather's advice to pray about it, I knew that the Book of Mormon was truly God's Word, as much as the Bible is. I learned that Joseph Smith was a prophet, called of God to do what he did.

If what I got in answer to my prayer wasn't an answer from God, I would have to wonder why he allowed me to be led astray. My guess, and that is all it is, is that he really doesn't care which church we belong to, as long as we follow, as best we can, his word. People who spend all their time arguing that someone can't be a "real" Christian because they don't follow the Nicene Creed should probably remember that the earliest Christian churches didn't, either, IIRC.

As far as Romney goes, it's possible he's seen the error of his ways, and is going back to fundamentals because they are the right thing to do. It's also possible he's going back to fundamentals because he thinks that can get him elected. I don't know which it is, and I'm hesitant to vote for him myself, because I see him as a flip-flopping Kerry-type politician. I could be wrong, I could be right, and I could be totally clueless...

"Mormons believe that God is a physical being. "

True.

"They believe that he was once a man like us. "

True. Although that was before this universe existed.

"They believe that the true Gospel was lost and that the Book of Mormon fills in what was lost."

True, if you change it to read "...and that the Book of Mormon fills in PART of what was lost." We also believe that prophecy still continues.

"They believe that Satan and Jesus are coequal in substance."

Wrong. We believe that Lucifer and Jesus are spirit children of God just like you and I. That both of those individuals were very exceptional. That both suggested plans of salvation for mankind, and that Lucifer rebelled, and became Satan, because he would not accept the plan that Jesus suggested, and that God adopted. Satan is a spirit, still, with no corporeal existance. Jesus was born, lived, died, and was resurrected as part of his plan to win salvation for all of us.

"They have an adoptionist Christology."

I'm not a theologian, so I'll need that explained before I can answer it.

"Their theology is Manichean, Pelagian, and Monophysist. "

I believe you're lumping too many different heresies in there. We are not Manichean, at least as I understand it. IIRC, they believed that Satan was powerful enough that he could win. We don't believe that. I don't remember the definitions of the other two well enough to argue with you about them right now, and don't have time to look them up just yet. I'll take a raincheck on those, OK?

"Their theology is non Trinitarian."

We disagree on details of the Trinity, so possibly you're right, but also possibly you're wrong.

"They believe in baptising the dead and that Mormons achieve a higher level in Heaven."

I find in 1 Corinthians 15:29 "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?" This despite my stepfather saying there was no mention of baptism for the dead in the Bible. As for us getting to a higher level in Heaven, that is only for those who obey ALL the law. God is just, and I can't see him setting up an unjust system. Can you?

"These things have been written both in the Book of Mormon and by their theologians. Many Mormons don't even know what they believe."

That is a problem with people of all faiths, including yours, whatever it is. We don't have a corner on that market.

"We as a nation need to pray for God's Will to be done about this election and the candidates who are running. HE in his infinite wisdom, is fully capable of separating the wheat from tares. By their fruit (i.e. voting records, personal life, etc.) ye shall know them.

FReepers, when you read this, please send up a sincere prayer for our Nation, our Freedom and that God's will be done, in the Name of Jesus, Amen!"

You've got an "AMEN, BROTHER!!!" here from me, at least.

The only thing that scares me is that this is quite possibly the last days, and if so, things are going according to God's plan. If not, maybe we can, working together in spite of our difference, shift things more towards the light...

"So, you are not Christian. Quit calling yourself that. Your religion is blatantly, unapologetically non-Trinitarian, unbelief. It is nothing more than the schizophrenic ravings of Joseph Smith. Complete nonsense."

You claim that you are, but I'm seeing little in the way of what I was taught (by non-Mormons) to be a Christian attitude. I guess we'll just have to disagree on the definition of Christian. Fortunately for me, and unfortunately for you, I don't have to accept your definition as authoritative. Go with God, brother, even if you don't see him the way I do. We can let him sort it out later.

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