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Utah mall gunman was Srebenica survivor
cnn.com ^ | 12/15/07 | cnn

Posted on 02/15/2007 1:40:58 PM PST by Serb29

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To: GovernmentShrinker
How about:

Muslim Terrorist attacks American Christians murdering them at Mall.

Liberals explain attacker only seeking redress of grievances and only targeting suspected Christians.

All is ok...


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41 posted on 02/15/2007 11:27:35 PM PST by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: eleni121
Not just during the Civil War - the muslims have been brutally murdering Christians in the Balkans for 600 years. This is the patch they were wearing when they did it in the 1940's:


42 posted on 02/15/2007 11:29:30 PM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: Serb29

These are wise words from someone so young.

However, it is troubling that you can espouse such an enlightened philosophy for post-Communist Yugoslavia and still make blunt statements like: "Serbs have not ethnically cleansed anyone...EVER."

But again, you're young. And history, of all disciplines, takes time to understand.

Best,

Zimdog


43 posted on 02/16/2007 8:32:44 AM PST by zimdog
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To: eleni121
The masacre deniers are those who neglect the thousands of Serbs killed brutally by Muslims and Croats in the civil war.

One of those deniers is you...

No. In English, "massacre denier" refers to someone who denies that a massacre or massacres took place. That is not me. However, you seem to be suggesting that the killing of 2500 people in Srebrenica was not a massacre.

Good day.

44 posted on 02/16/2007 8:40:41 AM PST by zimdog
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To: ozzymandus

You missed my point. The MSM often omits religious labelling when describing horrible crimes committed by an individual or group. It's not just when the criminals are Muslim or non-Christian, as many people here were claiming after reading a few MSM articles which didn't mention that the Utah shooter was a Muslim. Christianity was not to blame for the Srebrenica massacre, and it's unlikely (and certainly unconfirmed) that Islam was a significant factor in the Utah mall shooting. In many cases, the MSM isn't being "PC" by omitting religious labelling, but rather is avoiding the implication that a particular religion's beliefs are to blame, when there's no evidence to support that.


45 posted on 02/16/2007 8:53:17 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: lqclamar
You wouldn't know it today since the media covers it up and constantly sympathizes with the jihadis, but here's the flag that the Balkan muslims flew during World War II:

As your other posts have indicated, the image is not a "flag that the Balkan muslims flew during World War II." It is the insignia of the 13th Waffen-SS Division. There is clearly a difference between 21,000 Nazi soldiers and a region's entire population.

46 posted on 02/16/2007 8:55:27 AM PST by zimdog
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To: Serb29

My comment wasn't meant to assess the relative guilt of the various groups involved in the war in Bosnia/Serbia/Croatia. I have no preconceived notions about whether or not the events at Srebrenica were justifiable based on previous actions of the victim group -- it's not a subject that I'm knowledgeable about or particularly interested in.

I was only noting that MSM aren't routinely selective in omitting religious affiliations of people who commit violent acts. When there is no evident connection between the religious beliefs and the acts, they often choose to omit the religious affiliation, to avoid the implication that a certain religion's beliefs are responsible. There have been several threads running on FR full of people claiming that MSM articles which omitted the fact that the Utah shooter was a Muslim, are proof that the MSM is selectively biased towards Muslims. This CNN article, which omits the religion from the description of the Christian people who killed thousands of Bosnian Mulsims, is an example.


47 posted on 02/16/2007 9:01:16 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: zimdog
It is the insignia of the 13th Waffen-SS Division.

...which was recruited by al-Husseini and Himmler as an all-muslim Balkan Nazi division. It's clear what side the muslims took in WWII. To them it was just another opportunity to shoot Serbs and participate in the extermination of the Jews.

49 posted on 02/16/2007 10:21:09 AM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: Anybody

All I will say on this is, God don't like ugly, folks.







50 posted on 02/16/2007 10:29:29 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: eleni121
More muslim Nazis - here's a photo of Mufti Husseini giving the Nazi salute to recruits of the all-Muslim 13th Waffen-SS division in Sarajevo:


51 posted on 02/16/2007 10:38:41 AM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: lqclamar
...which was recruited by al-Husseini and Himmler as an all-muslim Balkan Nazi division.

Recruited by the fascist government of Christian Croatian to go along with the 30-odd Christian and Heretic divisions. If the existence of one all-Muslim Nazi division is your evidence that Muslims were looking for "another opportunity to shoot Serbs and participate in the extermination of the Jews" then by your same logic, Christians and Heretics joined the SS for the same reasons.

52 posted on 02/16/2007 10:43:59 AM PST by zimdog
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To: lqclamar
Photo of Alija Izetbegovic, the muslim president of Bosnia from 1990 to 1996. After his death in 2003 financial records emerged showing that Izetbegovic secretly used Al Qaeda funding sent in under the guise of humanitarian aide to arm muslims during the Bosnian war. During World War II Izetbegovic was a member of the Mladi Muslimani, a fundamentalist mahometan group that sided with Mufti Al-Husseini and assisted his efforts to recruit muslims into the Waffen-SS.
53 posted on 02/16/2007 10:53:08 AM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: zimdog

You deny that there were countless exterminations of Christians by Muslims.

PC is temporary but dumb is forever.


54 posted on 02/16/2007 10:56:27 AM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: eleni121
You deny that there were countless exterminations of Christians by Muslims.

Of course I don't. If you want your misunderstanding about what I believe to have more weight than my knowledge about what I believe, you will have to provide evidence.

55 posted on 02/16/2007 10:58:28 AM PST by zimdog
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Actually the Croats divided during WWII. Some formed the Nazi-supported government of Ustashe Croatia, while others such as the Sisak Partisans fought under Tito along with most of the Serbs. The muslims, of course, sided with the Ustashe regime and with the Reich itself, the 13th Waffen-SS certainly being their largest and most visible display of support for Hitler but by no means their only. Mufti Husseini had all sorts of jihadi fascist organizations doing his dirty work in the Balkans during the war.


56 posted on 02/16/2007 10:59:53 AM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: lqclamar
DRAZA MIHAILOVIC---heroic leader of the Serbian Chetniks who fought both the nazis and the communists and sold out by the Allies in 1943.



57 posted on 02/16/2007 11:08:30 AM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: eleni121
You deny that there were countless exterminations of Christians by Muslims.

No. He attempts to excuse them by pointing out what he purports to be an "equal and opposite" offense by Christians. Point out a jihadi atrocity and he tries to excuse it with allegations against Christians. Point out a jihadi gunman like this kid in Utah and he starts shouting Dylan Klebold. Point out a bomb that a jihadi set off somewhere in the world (which happens almost daily) and he starts shouting Timothy McVeigh. It's all a cheap game of moral equivalency intended to deflect criticism away from the jihadi thugs right now and today based on the acts of lone nutcases a decade ago.

58 posted on 02/16/2007 11:09:01 AM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: lqclamar

And of course, some Muslims joined Tito's partisan movement.

The fact remains is that the Christian and Christian/Heretic nations of Croatia, Germany, and elsewhere in central Europe made up the overwhelming majority of the Nazi Wehrmacht and all sorts of non-military fascist organizations doing Hitler's dirty work.

It's telling that the Nazis needed to use a foreign anti-Semitic cleric and the force of Christian Croatia's government to raise the 13th, while Christians and Heretics across Europe joined the SS in droves.


59 posted on 02/16/2007 11:15:56 AM PST by zimdog
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To: lqclamar
e attempts to excuse them by pointing out what he purports to be an "equal and opposite" offense by Christians.

Again, you would have to prove that with evidence. Again. You can't.

Point out a jihadi atrocity and he tries to excuse it with allegations against Christians.

Nope. And I'll thank you kindly if you refrain from your baseless allegations.

60 posted on 02/16/2007 11:19:22 AM PST by zimdog
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