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To: pppp

Nazis in Germany were a historic blip. As for your trouble with seeing individualism [happens when one has imbibed too much "russity" and has not puked it out], compare "rab bozhij" [god's slave - "rab" is used, not "sluga"] with "servant of god". The same idea, but translated within two different [Orthodox and Western] civilizational mentalities: a slave is not an individual, while a servant is, or could be. Orthodox civ [in huntingtonian nomeclature] is that of the slaves and their masters, i.e. a despotic civ, whether the despot is a landlord to his serfs, or a kegebuchij nomenklaturist in relation to mere inhabitants. Thus that dunghill is to be rejected, root, branch, trunk and leaves.


38 posted on 02/14/2007 1:23:21 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob
1. Before WW1 Germany was organized as military state. By the way, have you ever heard of Bismark? I'm not going to deionized Germany. It's a nice country and quite complex. South is different from the north. However German culture is on the disciplinarian side and to present it as an ideal of individualism is a little strange.
2. The word slave has different meaning in a country with long history of slavery and different in a country with no history of slavery. In order to translate you have to know both cultures. If you translate "rab bozhij" into English you have to take this into account. "Rab" has nothing to do with American "slave". The same goes for "servant". The difference between those two words in Russian is much smaller, and at same point of history nonexistent. Using "rab" not "sluga" indicates God's responsibility.
3. I'm not "imbibed with too much russicity". My family was forced to leaved their homes and everything their owned by soviets. For few decades my great parents were unable to meet their siblings. Part of my family died in Siberia [By the way in Poland Siberia has different meaning than in most of the world. In Polish Siberia is much closer to 'gurlag' than to 'a region in northeast Russia'.] All I do is to argue that Russia is a quite civilized country with strong links to western culture. Many Russians see themselves is part of it.
4. It's a pity that after so much effort you haven't accepted even the fact, that Orthodox culture is not limited to Russia.
39 posted on 02/15/2007 12:01:22 AM PST by pppp
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