[P-40]

So, with that we are to take it that you think he deserved what he got when he got raped, repeatedly.

No, I said I ran out of sympathy. In other words, I don't give a damn about him or the plight he placed himself in.

[Wuli]

When we "don't give a damn" the results that accrue are results we agree with, by default, because "we don't give a damn".

All criminals deserve just punishment and I have no sympathy for complaints against a just punishment. Rape is not a just punishment. I cannot condone it or stand back and not complain about it nor stand lacking in sympathy and compassion for those abused by rape in prison. Maybe you believe rape is their due just because they are in prison. I do not find anything rational, conservative or moral in that position.

[RavenATB]

"No, I said I ran out of sympathy. In other words, I don't give a damn about him or the plight he placed himself in."

I must say that I, too, find your comments more than simply inhumane. As a conservative I always thought that my contemporaries were concerned with the concept of justice in our judicial system.

Unless we're willing to apply a certain set of moral standards to the way our prison population is treated and housed, we really don't have a system of justice for criminals, anymore, but a system of revenge.

To take your concept of "if he didn't do the crime he wouldn't have suffer that fate" philosophy further down its own path, shall we all say that a young girl who gets raped after sneaking out of the house at night "deserves what she got," because she did something wrong?

If I see your wife walking down the street in a low-cut top and barely enough to cover her ass, and she gets pulled into the bushes by some rapist, should I walk away and tell myself that she got what she asked for?

Do we really want inmates to become part of the punishment process, thereby being able to set up a secondary system of punishment within prison walls. Do we want hardened criminals to have that much control over the lives of someone else?

[ktscarlett66]

Have to kind of agree with you on that one. Honestly, after having had a best friend killed by a drunk driver (who had previous DUIs), I have a hard time working up any sympathy for anyone who drives UI. She didn't deserve to be killed at age 29, her daughter didn't deserve to lose her mother at age 8. They had NO choice in the matter.

[ktscarlett66]

Have to kind of agree with you on that one. Honestly, after having had a best friend killed by a drunk driver (who had previous DUIs), I have a hard time working up any sympathy for anyone who drives UI. She didn't deserve to be killed at age 29, her daughter didn't deserve to lose her mother at age 8. They had NO choice in the matter.