No Escape: Male Rape In U.S. Prisons

Human Rights Watch ^ | 2007.02.12 | Joanne Mariner

[Paved Paradise]

The problem with your point is that getting thrown in prison doesn't necessarily correlate with doing a crime. Christians are imprisoned in many countries for no crime or a faked one. Remember what Jesus said about those in prison.

[Paved Paradise]

You are joking, right? Everyone knows that a rapist will use other tools if he is castrated, and I've heard of the use of bottles, sticks, butter knives, and so on. Just makes me cringe.

[Spiff]

HRW is wrong about a lot of things, but this isn't one of them.

I agree. Going to prison for a relatively minor offense should not be a death sentence nor a guarantee of unspeakable torture at the hands of thugs. Prison guards should be held accountable for this kind of thing if it happens under their supervision.

[MovementConservative]

BTW, the women of this forum sincerely appreciate your insightful commentary.

Whether you like it or not, society needs it's testosterone filled warrior class. They allow women like you to make comments on this forum in pretty blue colors.

[Paved Paradise]

Your last sentence was right on.

[P-40]

Why else would you have posted it when you did?

It was posted in response to a statement about why we jail people. People most always assume that the goal is plain old punishment...when it is not that simple. Death penalty conversations tend to mention crime prevention...and the death penalty has nothing to do with that.

What you choose to believe about crime and punishment is your own business...but that does not change what is the case.

[quadrant]

If the new Democratic majority in Congress wants to investigate something worthwhile, I suggest prison rape instead of reparations, impeachment, or repeal of man/min sentences.

[RussP]

Those tempted to gloat would be well advised to remember that it is very easy to end up in slam in the United States, even if you're 100% innocent.

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The part in bold may be one of the dumber things I've ever seen posted here.

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No, it isn't. I suggest you read "The Myth of Male Power" by Warren Farrell. You will discover that if a woman (or girl) accuses you of rape, you must essentially prove your innocence or you could be put away. Evidence is optional.

The way prisons let male rape go unchecked is beyond disgusting. What kind of idiots run our prisons?

[monday]

"Out of the several 100 million people in the United States a very small percentage have ever been in jail. Should I assume from b-chan's post that most of you folks have been in jail? I don't think so."

A larger percentage than you realize, obviously. No I haven't been in jail, but I know several who have. Some deservedly so, others mistakenly. It is pretty easy to end up in jail in the US. Heck, just look at all the celebrities who have spent time in jail. Usually when people are arrested it is because they deserve it, but sometimes all it takes is being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Even if it was as rare as you state however, if it was you, or your sister, or mother, would you still say rape was acceptable punishment for having the misfortune to be arrested and incarcerated?

[Frapster]

I'm wondering what you're trying to defend or argue here, P-40? Is this article strictly about this individual or is this article about a larger issue? Seems that this article is about a larger issue of which this guy is but a launching point on the discussion. So understanding that the guy doesn't get your sympathy - are we correct in understanding that you feel that prison rape is a non-issue and a by-product of people who really deserve no consideration?

[GulfBreeze]

None the less, even tough guy Liddy realizes that just because someone is incarcerated and rightfully (or wrongfully) had certain freedoms taken away doesn't mean that it's right for them to expect to take a root up the old poop shoot.

It is not "poetic justice" or karma or anything of the sort.

If anyone disagrees with that then the next time they are pulled over for speeding then instead of handing over your Dirvers license and proof of insurance, just jump out of the car and drop your trousers and bend over the trunk. Holler out... "I know I got it coming and since I hate crime and criminals I am actually glad you are fixing to purge this out of me. Come on officer, give it to me good."

[MovementConservative]

I've been in 5 on one fights before so I know what I'm talking about. First, the five tend to get in each others way. Second, as soon as one of them starts losing, the whole pack of cowards tend to split. Yeah, you take some serious lumps and don't come out looking so pretty, but you can survive those.
I don't think I'm Jackie Chan, just gritty and savage enough to fight off a pack of assailants.

[P-40]

are we correct in understanding that you feel that prison rape is a non-issue and a by-product of people who really deserve no consideration?

My initial comment was regarding the individual in question and was completely divorced from the larger issue of prison rape.

[TigersEye]

It was posted in response to this...

ColdSteelTalon: The purpose of prison is not to provide fresh meat for rapists.

P-40: I forget the "Five R's" of prison theory...but it is something like Revenge, Retribution, Resocialization, Rehabilitation, and one other....that let's just call Relocation. We have not paid much attention to those divisions in quite some time though.

The context and intent here are obvious.

[AliVeritas]

That's not all...

This makes an Islamic group look real good when you're inside... for protection.

I wonder how many conversions may have this as a root cause.

[monday]

"I am not surprised that some would think rape was an appropriate punishment for DWI."

"Who said it was?"

You. I quote from your post #8.

Article: "I've been sentenced for a D.U.I. offense. My 3rd one.

You said: "I ran out of sympathy about right there...

[Pharmboy]

I will second that. A good friend of mine just finished a divorce and his ex lied through her miserable teeth about him assaulting her. Made it up. But, the cops came and he was charged with a felony. Lucky for him the case fell apart and he did not have to do jail time.

But, as B-chan suggests, it can happen to the innocent.

[Frapster]

So how do you feel about prison rape? You obviously feel strongly enough to say something about this guy - does it rank above your sentiments about him or below?

[AnotherUnixGeek]

Prisons are intended to safeguard society from PUNISH convicted criminals.

The punishment decreed by the US consists of confining them to the prison and removing some of their personal liberties. It doesn't include rape or beatings by other inmates.

[P-40]

The purpose of prison is not to provide fresh meat for rapists.

And in response to that post I posted what some of the legal theory is behind putting someone in prison. As to what sort of intent you gather from that....I have no idea.