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To: Jim Robinson
The party better stand for liberty first. Life issues can and should be creatively legislated at the state level, where they should have remained and where they desperately belong. This is the only way to reduce the amount of abortions...if need be through financial incentives that facilitate women to have their children and then give them up for adoption or changing the definition of when a child is technically born (hence creative legislation).

Someone like Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo is not going to be an advocate for liberty...and, Jim, whether you like it or not, the GOP needs its libertarian leaning folks. The only solution: embracing the 10th amendment -- as Rudi does -- and learning how to deal with the decision of the local people, largely free of the Washington DC leviathan.

160 posted on 02/11/2007 6:05:12 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: LowCountryJoe
Life issues can and should be creatively legislated at the state level, where they should have remained and where they desperately belong.

When was it just a state issue whether someone killed their children or not? When did this change? Are you talking about before the 14th amendment? Before slaves were freed?
162 posted on 02/11/2007 6:38:42 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: LowCountryJoe
The party better stand for liberty first.

In the Declaration, life comes first, then liberty. For very good reason: It is absurd to even have a concern about liberty if some tyrant has already stripped you of your God-given, unalienable right to life. It's moot.

The right to life is NOT a state issue. It is a Preamble, Fifth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment isse. NO STATE has the right to legalize the murder of its citizens.

169 posted on 02/11/2007 7:40:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: LowCountryJoe
The only solution: embracing the 10th amendment -- as Rudi does -- and learning how to deal with the decision of the local people, largely free of the Washington DC leviathan.

This is a man who fails to understand even the most basic things about liberty. Witness his stupid quotes on the subject. They could have been uttered by any totalitarian tyrant in history. He is an enemy of the Second Amendment. Why do you think he will pay any mind to the Tenth? No one else in political life today is. Giuliani would seem to me to be THE least likely candidate to change that trend.

170 posted on 02/11/2007 7:44:18 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: LowCountryJoe
The only solution: embracing the 10th amendment -- as Rudi does -- and learning how to deal with the decision of the local people, largely free of the Washington DC leviathan.

Rudy would appoint SC judges who support 10a and who would overturn Roe v. Wade based on such?

Has he made that pledge?

172 posted on 02/11/2007 8:02:53 PM PST by FreeReign (Still waiting for the best conservative candidate.)
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To: LowCountryJoe
The party better stand for liberty first. Life issues can and should be creatively legislated at the state level, where they should have remained and where they desperately belong. This is the only way to reduce the amount of abortions...if need be through financial incentives that facilitate women to have their children and then give them up for adoption or changing the definition of when a child is technically born (hence creative legislation).

Let's try your statement this way and see if you still agree with it:

The party better stand for liberty first. Life issues Slavery can and should be creatively legislated at the state level, where they should have remained and where they desperately belong. This is the only way to reduce the amount of abortions... slavery if need be through financial incentives that facilitate women to have their children and then give them up for adoption slaveholders to begin releasing their slaves or changing the definition of when a child is technically born slave is technically a human being (hence creative legislation).

When the human race finally rids itself of the evil of abortion, much as it has nearly rid itself of the evil of slavery, people like YOU will be remembered in infamy as one of those who were defending abortion just as those who defended slavery are now held in disgrace. You are on the wrong side of this issue. The souls of the nearly fifty million American children who have been slaughtered since 1973 cry out for justice and point their fingers in accusation at YOU and those like you who are indifferent to the holocaust of abortion.
182 posted on 02/11/2007 8:26:05 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: LowCountryJoe
And Libertarians need to learn that if you have no life, you have no liberty.

Roe vs Wade stripped the abortion issue out of the hands of the state legislatures and even out of the hands of the congress. Roe vs Wade needs to be overturned and the overstepping liberal activist court needs to be slapped down so these matters can be decided at the state level as originally intended. This will never happen under a socially liberal president.
190 posted on 02/11/2007 9:36:26 PM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Gerald Ford and Bob Dole. Voting for the right-wing kook gave us Reagan. ~ A.C.)
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