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I-69 is Semi-Finalist in Corridors of the Future Program
Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) ^ | February 2, 2007 | TxDOT

Posted on 02/10/2007 5:20:32 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: GinaLolaB
I meant that they are going to use the Kelo decision to seize the property to give to a private company to build the road in the first place.

Nobody is giving anything, the state is LEASING the rights to build, operate, and maintain the road. A private company is paying more than $7 billion for that lease, but the state will still own the road.

Not really any different than if a city leases out its garbage collection or when the state let's private companies bid on road construction projects. In this case instead of taxes paying for the construction, the private company will front all the construction costs and then recoup that and a profit through tolls. BTW, the 50-year lease can be canceled by the state at any time.

61 posted on 02/11/2007 4:35:54 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy Giuliani-Joe Dyton in '08!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
First of all, the government is going to seize people's farms and property for a private venture that is going to make it easier to bring illegal Mexicans and aliens with drugs and terrorism into the country.

Secondly, it is going to lower the wages of American truckers because Mexicans will be driving the trucks.

Thirdly, no real American wants to be merged with Mexico and Canada with a super highway.

Fourthly, once they make these corrupt arrangements, like a fifty year lease, they never get rid of them.

62 posted on 02/11/2007 5:39:05 PM PST by GinaLolaB (God is pro life)
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To: GinaLolaB
First of all, the government is going to seize people's farms and property for a private venture

No, the road will be state-owned the entire time. The state is simply using private financing instead of taxpayer financing.

...that is going to make it easier to bring illegal Mexicans and aliens with drugs and terrorism into the country.

How so? The road will only be built in the US, doesn't add a new border crossing, and doesn't change border procedures. From 2015 to at least 2025 it will only be a road from San Antonio to Dallas, with the extensions to be added later when enough traffic builds to warrant extension. You do realize that there are already roads criss-crossing Texas and crosssing the border, yes? Why would drug smugglers and terrorists give up using these mostly unsupervised roads to risk using a new one with monitored and recorded cameras at toll booths and all along the way?

Secondly, it is going to lower the wages of American truckers because Mexicans will be driving the trucks.

Really? There are special laws just for this road? Of course not, any laws/regulations regarding Mexican truckers would apply equally to all roads, and thus that issue has nothing to do with the TTC.

Thirdly, no real American wants to be merged with Mexico and Canada with a super highway.

A road doesn't merge countries, only treaties can do that. Good roads can make it cheaper to travel between and do business with other countries, but these roads also do the same between all the states, counties, and cities along the way. I don't want Canada and Mexico to become part of the US, but I do 100% support the TTC. What you are claiming is kinda like saying that eliminating cancer in the US will cause illegal immigration to increase. So I should be against finding a cure for cancers? Ridiculous faux-logic.

Fourthly, once they make these corrupt arrangements, like a fifty year lease, they never get rid of them.

It isn't corrupt, over time everything has been made public and several years after being proposed we still are in the public hearing phase. If Texans don't want the lease, they can always vote in a governor or legislature that can cancel the lease. That is stated in the contract. Might be a good idea to read it, someone has mislead you with a load of lies.

63 posted on 02/11/2007 6:03:11 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy Giuliani-Joe Dyton in '08!)
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To: 1rudeboy
Are you suggesting We sit back and ignore everything? Just let Globalism have it's way with us? The picture is becoming clearer......China's making their play for world economic control and the Elites are willing participants.
64 posted on 02/12/2007 4:56:04 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: wolfcreek
Ignore, no. But you are doing the equivalent of pointing at a traffic-light and warning us it will change colors. The U.S. will not build a new port or terminal. Expanding an existing port will take untold years, as our vaunted environmetal groups and labor unions (yes, unions) throw roadblocks in the project's path.

Add to the mix the "all trade is bad we should grow our own coffee" folks, and our alleged slide into Third World status will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

65 posted on 02/12/2007 5:10:59 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Diddle E. Squat

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What's "racist trash " about connecting those dots?

66 posted on 02/12/2007 5:18:12 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Diddle E. Squat; 1rudeboy; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; BnBlFlag; AmishDude
RE # 66: More precisely...

What's "racist trash " about making an observation -- and asking if there might be a connection between those dots?

67 posted on 02/12/2007 5:37:34 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Froufrou
I just think there's something suspicious about selling it under 'what we need' vs. 'what they want.'

I believe that about sums it up. Having traveled I-75 from Michigan's upper peninsula to mid-Florida, I can easily see several places more needing of a superhighway than the barren mid-section of this country.

Cities like Atlanta & Knoxville present enormous bottlenecks to the free movement of traffic. And, I'm certain that there are hundreds of similar bottlenecks around every major city in the country. These are the areas that need major road work.

As an alternative, to alleviate a good deal of the traffic problems in many major cities, we can not only quit importing illegals into our population, but also get rid of the ones that are here. It's obvious that there are too many cars and not enough roadway in most cities.

68 posted on 02/12/2007 5:40:11 AM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: 1rudeboy
So, are agreeing there's a problem or just trying to scuttle the arguement?


My point is, our officials say We don't have the funds to improve our infrastructure so, We must rely on foreign investment. China, who's screwing us through dishonest trade practices, is more than willing to shell out the bucks. In doing so, they will hold all the cards and the bank note. If you don't have a problem with that, I have to wonder what your objectives are.
69 posted on 02/12/2007 5:44:37 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: wolfcreek
First of all, this thread is about the TTC. No one knows whether the Chinese are participating, if at all. (At least I haven't seen the information, and I don't buy into the "a truck carrying goods from China will use the road, therefore the road is evil" crap).

Furthermore, I do not have an irrational fear of Foreign Direct Investment in our transportation infrastructure. As has been pointed out countless times, even if we default on the note, what happens? The concrete is poured. Who holds what cards then?

70 posted on 02/12/2007 5:56:36 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

"even if we default on the note, what happens?"


We have one big, unfinished mess streched across Texas. Example, though small. the unfinished Intel project in downtown Austin. The taxpayers of Austin now have to fit the bill for it's distruction. Not only have the revenues been absent but now, the debt is increasing. This is a example of how this Globalism thing stinks on a smaller, local scale. Day by day, We work ourselves deeper into the hole.


71 posted on 02/12/2007 6:10:17 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: TXnMA
* White Jeffrey Dahmer

* White Bill Clinton

* White Pee Wee Herman

* White TXnMA

Using your kook logic, should we connect those dots, too?

72 posted on 02/12/2007 6:12:39 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy Giuliani-Joe Dyton in '08; and free the Texas 3.)
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To: meyer

"we can not only quit importing illegals into our population, but also get rid of the ones that are here. It's obvious that there are too many cars and not enough roadway in most cities."

This is an important connection that I failed to make. Moreover, moving violations and accidents very often involve 'unregistered' drivers without insurance. Gee, ya think maybe they're illegals?


73 posted on 02/12/2007 7:27:04 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Diddle E. Squat; 1rudeboy; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; BnBlFlag; AmishDude
Using your kook logic, should we connect those dots, too?

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It is you who is using "kook logic":

  1. The three "dots" that I reffered to are directly related to the subject of the thread.

  2. Your "dots" are completely unrelated -- except to your perverse attempt at disparagement.

  3. You made the racist assumption that I am "white"

Since the only tool in your debate kit is ad hominem attack, why do you continue to pollute these discussions of Texas' future?

74 posted on 02/12/2007 7:53:37 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA

Please do not ping me for the length of the short time that will define the remainder of your stay at FreeRepublic.


75 posted on 02/12/2007 8:11:22 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: TXnMA

I won't go as far as to say you are using "kook" logic, but you are are making an observation based on ethnicity, and using it to disparage the chosen group. I suppose the kook stuff comes in from your conclusion.


76 posted on 02/12/2007 8:26:11 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: wolfcreek; AmishDude
If you or your merry men trust ANYTHING to do with China, you are a fool! If there were ever a conflict between the US and China, the last thing I would want is them controlling our transportation links.

Hopefully we'll have the balls to seize their U.S. assets in such a scenario.

77 posted on 02/12/2007 10:01:32 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Duncan Hunter: Hope of America)
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To: TXnMA

So instead of a NAU conspiracy, it is now an Hispanic conspiracy?


78 posted on 02/12/2007 10:05:51 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Duncan Hunter: Hope of America)
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