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Kyoto bill may force election (Canada: enviro-wackos thinking anti-Conservative coup)
National Post - Canada ^ | Friday, February 09, 2007 | John Ivison / Katie Rook

Posted on 02/09/2007 11:54:04 AM PST by GMMAC

Kyoto bill may force election
Government would be tied to stringent targets

John Ivison with files from Katie Rook
National Post, Friday, February 09, 2007


OTTAWA - A Liberal-sponsored bill that would legally require the Conservative government to abide by the Kyoto protocol's short-term targets will be debated for the final time in the House of Commons today, before going to a vote next week when it is all but guaranteed to pass.

Constitutional experts say the implications of passing the bill could see Prime Minister Stephen Harper forced to choose between implementing measures to meet Kyoto targets he has called unrealistic or calling a general election.

The Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act is a private member's bill sponsored by Liberal MP Pablo Rodriguez. It calls on Canada to meet its Kyoto commitment by reducing greenhouse gas emissions to 6% below 1990 levels by 2012.

The Conservatives maintain these targets cannot be met without drastically disrupting the economy, but a coalition of opposition parties has pushed the bill to third reading today. If it passes a vote next week -- which looks assured since it has the support of the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc Quebecois --it will head to the Liberal-dominated Senate, where it is likely to be given swift passage.

The Conservatives fought the bill as it proceeded through successive readings, claiming that if it were passed it would require new spending, something a private member's bill cannot initiate. However, Speaker of the House Peter Milliken ruled yesterday that the bill does not constitute spending for a new and distinct purpose and can proceed to final reading.

Patrick Monahan, dean of Osgoode Hall Law School and a renowned constitutional lawyer, said that the bill, if passed, would legally bind the government to meet its Kyoto obligations. "I don't see how the government would be able to ignore it. It seems to me it will pose a significant problem for the government," he said. "This is significant and far-reaching -- much more far-reaching than most private member's bills."

He said he was not clear what options the Prime Minister will have if the bill passes, although calling an election is one possibility.

The bill requires the government to table a plan of action within 60 days of its passage.

The plan would then be submitted to the National Roundtable on the Environment and the Economy, an independent agency chaired by former Winnipeg mayor and Liberal candidate, Glen Murray.

The government would then be obliged to publish the agency's adjudication and act upon it.

The tightly worded bill binds the government to a number of measures, including provision for a "just transition of workers affected by greenhouse gas emission reductions."

Experts have suggested that job losses would inevitably result from any attempt to reach Kyoto's targets, as power plant output and oilsands production are reined in to reduce emissions.

Mr. Rodriguez said he is not suggesting how the Conservatives should meet the Kyoto targets. "They are in power. They wanted to run the country, so they have to take the responsibility," he said.

He denied that the targets were impossible to meet. "It's going to be difficult but still possible. There are options -- we have the cap and trade solution, or we could invest in valid green projects [overseas]. It's up to [the government] to decide," he said.

Mr. Rodriguez's bill is one of a series of opposition motions in recent months that have attempted to portray the minority- government Tories as unconcerned about climate change, but it is the first to carry apparently binding measures.

John Baird, the Environment Minister, yesterday told the legislative committee amending the government's Clean Air Act that meeting the Kyoto targets would risk economic collapse.

"To achieve that kind of target through domestic reductions would require a rate of emissions decline unmatched by any modern nation in the history of the world,'' he said. "Except those who have suffered economic collapse, such as Russia.''

The potential cost of meeting the targets has caused serious concern among opponents. In an interview with the Post yesterday, Canadian Auto Workers union president Buzz Hargrove said he supports the Kyoto accord but stressed that changes have to be introduced gradually.

"If somebody were to come out tomorrow and say you have to reach the objective that was laid out initially immediately, you'd almost have to shut down every major industry in the country from oil and gas to the airlines to the auto industry and that just doesn't make sense," he said.

jivison@nationalpost.com

© National Post 2007


TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservative; greennonsense; harper; opportunism
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Harper's response:

here comes the popular surge
... and hardly 'slight' as CP & the red Star claim
and with the bulk coming in battleground Ontario.

Also see:
Why Stephane Dion is unfit to lead this country
Lost in translation

1 posted on 02/09/2007 11:54:08 AM PST by GMMAC
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To: fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...

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2 posted on 02/09/2007 11:55:43 AM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

In Toronto, the infrastructure for public transportation crumbles. The unions strike. And the Liberals want us to give up our cars?


3 posted on 02/09/2007 12:25:09 PM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada! (Steve's won my vote in the meantime))
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To: GMMAC

Gotta love the spin the Scar put on the poll result- 38-31 a "slight" lead? LMAO!


4 posted on 02/09/2007 12:28:00 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: GMMAC
Harper is the most able Prime Minister Canada has had in a very long time - I don't think the electorate is going to ditch him for some leftist Frog woofter greenie.

Regards, Ivan

5 posted on 02/09/2007 12:29:35 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: GMMAC

Sounds like a winning strategy for the radical left.

If PM Harper enforces Kyoto the economy will tank and

he`ll be blamed. If he doesn`t enforce Kyoto he`ll be

blamed.

Call an election on the issue and he`ll be demagoged

the way he was before. Remember? " He`s got a secret

agenda, WATCH OUT ! "


6 posted on 02/09/2007 12:35:42 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: GMMAC

If any country would benefit from global warming, Canada would.


7 posted on 02/09/2007 12:55:45 PM PST by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: GMMAC
Here it is in black and white. Rodriquez admits that this bill being pushed through has nothing to do with the environment or Kyoto or even Canadians. It expressed purpose is to stick it to the Conservative party and anything that it does to Canada is worth it in their opinion even if it destroys the economy....no cost is to great when it comes to trying to regain their seat in power. The Liberals never change but if this works on their part Canada certainly will and it won't be for the better.
8 posted on 02/09/2007 1:10:23 PM PST by styky (All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor)
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To: Post Toasties
There was a real climatologist on C2CAM the other night. Among lots of other things, he pointed out that lots of people will benefit from a warmer climate. And, if you look at where, calendar-wise, the warmer temps are occuring, it's in the Winter. Shorter winters=longer growing seasons.

With longer growing seasons, they can produce more corn-based ethanol, and warmer Winters (it's about 15F outside now) less energy is needed.

9 posted on 02/09/2007 1:15:40 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Squawk 8888
Hey Stephane, red Jack Layton, go ahead & mount an election campaign in Canada's Ontario industrial heartland based on job-killing enviro-insanity ... it's been quite awhile since a Conservative MP was elected in Windsor ... snicker!

As for the rest of the province, other than a handful of urban & maybe university ghettos, b'bye!

Try this & the reality of Trudeau's National Energy Policy rendering the left virtually unelectable in Alberta for now over a quarter century will seem like veritable day in the park compared to your long-term prospects central Canada!
10 posted on 02/09/2007 1:33:48 PM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: styky

This is purely an outsider's view, but

"Rodriquez admits that this bill being pushed through has nothing to do with the environment or Kyoto or even Canadians. It expressed purpose is to stick it to the Conservative party and anything that it does to Canada is worth it in their opinion even if it destroys the economy"

should be writ out large on as many long, stout sticks as Canadian Conservatives can find and then used to beat the living crap out of their opponents. All of them, including the media bums.

Those pukes are down to the last pile of chips, and it's time to send 'em home in their skivvys.


11 posted on 02/09/2007 1:44:21 PM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet (When Pontius Pilot washed his hands he only condemned one man, the Senate is condemning millions.)
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To: GMMAC

Pablo Rodriguez another Liberal Half-Canadian, dual Argentine citizenship.
Represents a riding in the eastern part of Montreal where the main occupation is manufacturing.


12 posted on 02/09/2007 3:21:09 PM PST by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: GMMAC
Isn't Canada the worst offender when it comes to missing its Kyoto agreements and targets? I believe they are over them more than any other country.

Also, didn't the provence of Alberta tell the national government to bit its oil rich ass, they weren't doing a damn thing to meet Kyoto obligations?

13 posted on 02/09/2007 6:17:59 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Phantom Lord
That's the most ridiculous aspect of the Liberals' current self-righteous hysteria with respect to Kyoto in particular & the environment in general.

They're the ones who, in spite of lots of public protest at the time, insisted on signing onto Kyoto. Then they sat back doing little but talk for nearly a decade while Canada slid to 28th out of 29 reporting nations - & well behind the U.S. - in reducing it's 'greenhouse gas' emissions.
Plus, to top this off, new Liberal leader Stephane Dion was the Environment Minister, and thus the guy ultimately responsible, for part of this time-frame.

If you haven't already, check out "Why Stephane Dion is unfit to lead this country" and especially my comment #6 which has a further link to 3 TV ads the Conservative Party is currently running to draw attention to the Liberals' & Dion's personal blatant hypocrisy & opportunism.
They've run up here during the Super Bowl & popular shows like CSI & seem to be working as a new poll out today has the CPC up 7 points.
14 posted on 02/09/2007 8:40:47 PM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC
Prime Minister Stephen Harper should treat the vote as an adverse vote of no-confidence in his Government and call a new election this spring. The Opposition wants to destroy Canada's economy. The Conservatives want to keep it growing. It should up be left up to the voters to decide who they want in charge of the country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 02/09/2007 8:47:43 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: GMMAC

"... it's been quite awhile since a Conservative MP was elected in Windsor ... snicker!"

Yes it has...and apparently we have a very strong candidate lined up for Windsor-West. I believe we will still have the venerable Rick Fuschi in the other Windsor riding (Windsor-East?) and MP...why can't I remember his name...from Windsor-Essex.

Unfortunately I am half way across the globe right now and wont' be able to help out this time around. I am missing two elections while I'm gone, the potential Federal election, and the Provincial one slated for the Fall. Oh well...c'est la vie. Go Blue! (Yes, Michigan and Conservatives ;))


16 posted on 02/09/2007 11:47:43 PM PST by AntiKev ("No damage. The world's still turning isn't it?" - Stereo Goes Stellar - Blow Me A Holloway)
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To: GMMAC
"Mr. Rodriguez said he is not suggesting how the Conservatives should meet the Kyoto targets. "They are in power. They wanted to run the country, so they have to take the responsibility," he said."

Liberal leadership at it's best. No solutions, only whining about problems and pie in the sky solutions with no details. What a moron.
17 posted on 02/10/2007 5:59:49 AM PST by F. dAnconia (We say: "It is, therefore, I want it. They say: "I want it, therefore it is")
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To: AntiKev
Apparently it's at least now fairly easy to cast an absentee ballot in Canadian federal elections:
Last year my mainly Florida-based 'Kanuckistani Republican' Dad went into full 'techno-coot' mode and downloaded, then filed the Elections Canada application by mail and had already proudly cast his vote against the Librano$ vermin before the advance polls had even opened up here.

As a former Maritimer, he was pleased to get the "vote early" so efficiently handled & doubtless is continuing to work on the "vote often" part of that Region's traditional electoral practices - LOL!

Otherwise, these days, it's definitely pretty simple to keep the inboxes of all your e-contacts back home filed with highly motivating anti-red commentary.
We kicked ass in cyberspace last time out & they definitely serve as well who man this important front.
18 posted on 02/10/2007 7:51:11 AM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: F. dAnconia
Liberal leadership at it's best. No solutions, only whining about problems and pie in the sky solutions with no details. What a moron

Moron he is but then what would we call a people that continue to vote in these useless morons. If we are going to hand out blame we better start by looking closer to home. There was a time when ordinary people accomplished extraordinary things. Not any more we are too busy whining about it to get off our collective butts and make things happen. If there are morons in power it's not because they just wandered in off the street....no, we put them there. Canadians this week have to put down the remote and contact their MP....take to the streets and make it known that this act is lunacy. Unhappy though they are I somehow won't hold my breath waiting on this.

19 posted on 02/10/2007 8:46:38 AM PST by styky (All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor)
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To: styky

I agree with you completely. Well said.


20 posted on 02/10/2007 11:44:59 AM PST by F. dAnconia (We say: "It is, therefore, I want it. They say: "I want it, therefore it is")
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