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Music industry sues Augusta man
Morning Sentinel ^ | 2-6-07 | BETTY ADAMS

Posted on 02/06/2007 9:17:22 AM PST by dbehsman

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To: dbehsman

It is sort of slipped in, but he is being sued for making the songs available to others. That is the key. If one does not allow uploading of songs, they can't touch you, because you are not breaking the law.

Downloading songs for personl use is the legal equivalent of copying songs from a friends CD or recording off the radio. It is ignored.

Allowing others to download from you is where the problem lies. And if you are on an unsecured wi-fi network, well, with the right attorney you are pretty much immune.


41 posted on 02/06/2007 10:35:45 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

For most songs. Yes.


42 posted on 02/06/2007 10:36:41 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: zarf

If they're stealing it, how can they be customers?


43 posted on 02/06/2007 10:36:45 AM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: dbehsman
Quick response..... one should assume that EVERYTHING is copyright-protected/patented/etc. Books, music, software, etc. etc. etc. EVERYTHING. Do a search on "intellectual property" and read all about it ;-).

I do my best to go into the local schools on their CAREER DAYS and educate the jr. high kids about the music publishing industry. I give them a handout with a FAQ about copyright. Education should start early, but I'm here to tell you as a personal example that one can get all the way through music school and not be educated - exc. "backhandedly" - about copyright and its implications and how to deal with it.

44 posted on 02/06/2007 10:38:48 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Centurion2000

I'm in a band. I like to watch other bands. But paying for pre-recorded music is Soooooo 20th century. We are back to the 19th, 18th, 17th, etc. century models. Musicians get paid for performing.

Pre-recorded music is something you listen to on the radio, on a bus or in an elevator. It's a free commodity.


45 posted on 02/06/2007 10:41:57 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: RobRoy
For most songs. Yes.

Bzzzt. That is an imcomplete answer. Please explain/elaborate ;-).

For starters.....

Do you have a full understanding of how much it costs to produce a song from start to finish? Artwork design, labeling, print up, duplication (even if you did it yourself, isn't YOUR time worth something?), paying the musicians for their recording time..... I could go on... but as I said above, I need to get gainfully working here ;-).

46 posted on 02/06/2007 10:42:24 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Bob J
The more they sue, the deeper they're driving people underground and they create more inventive ways to pirate.

The RIAA doesn't acknowledge this fact yet. It's done....game over.

People want unlimited music for free and they will get it. It's up to the music industry to figure out how to make money from this new paradigm.

47 posted on 02/06/2007 10:44:34 AM PST by zarf
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
That's where the infringement comes into play.

Copyright is dead. The issue is control of access.

48 posted on 02/06/2007 10:46:23 AM PST by zarf
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

I have my own studio, albeit computer based. My time is most definitely worth something. That is why I have a day job.

The days of making vast sums of money off a few songs have ended. Technology brought the ability to perform a song once and sell it to millions. Technology has removed the word "sell" from the equation and we musicians are back to the old days - we play and record for fun (like others play softball) or we PERFORM for money. The rest is gravy.

Also, music is just not as valuable as it was when rock was coming of age in the 1960's. Ask any old timer who was playing the bar scene in the 1960's what they paid then compared to now. It has been DEFLATING. If CD's matched the "Non-mega band" performance price model, CD's would cost between $1 and $1.50 today, AFTER inflation. As it is, they cost as much as movies, which are considerably more costly to produce.

Music just is not that valuable to the public any more. Producing music is not where one goes to make money. It is where one goes to have fun.

On a side note, I LOVE playing my vinyl more than ever.


49 posted on 02/06/2007 10:51:25 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: zarf

>>The more they sue, the deeper they're driving people underground and they create more inventive ways to pirate.
The RIAA doesn't acknowledge this fact yet. It's done....game over.

People want unlimited music for free and they will get it. It's up to the music industry to figure out how to make money from this new paradigm.<<

Yup. Reminds me of prohibition.


50 posted on 02/06/2007 10:52:13 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: zarf
Suing your consumer base is always a great idea.

Consumers who don't pay for what they consume don't do me any good.

51 posted on 02/06/2007 10:53:02 AM PST by Jack Wilson
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To: Jack Wilson

>>Consumers who don't pay for what they consume don't do me any good<<

Yeah, I haven't bought a CD since 1997. Interestingly though, I have bought a LOT of concerts on DVD.


52 posted on 02/06/2007 10:54:11 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: dbehsman
If I put the music from the aforementioned borrowed CD onto my MP3 player; is that stealing?

It's copyright violation, so yes, in effect, it's stealing from the person who wrote the song, the publisher who published it, and the record label that distributed it. By the way, you know what it's called when you take a song off a CD and make an mp3 right? It's called ripping. Nuff said.

53 posted on 02/06/2007 10:54:27 AM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: dbehsman

The RIAA has every right to sue him. It may not be a good idea to sue your customers, but bad PR moves aren't necessarily illegal or unethical.

My only problem with the RIAA enforcing its rights is that the methods it uses prior to the real lawsuit amount to an extortion racket. The RIAA should be criminally charged and its lawyers disbarred for participating in this abuse of the judicial system.


54 posted on 02/06/2007 10:54:42 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Swordfished
10 mp3s, burned off

It's an unauthorized copy. It's a copyright violation. If you want yer buddy to have the album so bad, you should buy him his own copy.

55 posted on 02/06/2007 10:56:22 AM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: RobRoy
Musicians get paid for performing.

You're in a band but you're pretty clueless. Musicians get paid for playing these thingies called songs. It's the songs that get copyrighted, and the songwriters/copyright holders who are being infringed, not the wing nut bass player at the neighborhood bar. Down at the bar, if it's being done legally, the bar OWNER is responsible for paying a fee that goes to paying royalties to songwriters thru ASCAP/BMI. Musicians are the low men on the totem pole.

56 posted on 02/06/2007 10:58:43 AM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: zook
In fact, the music industry is in danger of losing these cases because they can't establish a $750 level of damage and they won't release documents explaining how they arrive at such a figure.

They don't really need to. The RIAA is going for statutory damages, and $750 is the low-end of statutory damage awards for non-willful infringement (it goes up to $30,000).

57 posted on 02/06/2007 10:59:17 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: RobRoy

Sounds to me like your rationalizing to justify a)your stealing from those more successful than you and b) your own failure as a musician.


58 posted on 02/06/2007 11:00:40 AM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

BUSTED!

59 posted on 02/06/2007 11:01:03 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: dbehsman
Stealing music is so much fun, everybody oughta do it! I walkED to the store this morning humming Tiptoe Through the Tulips, without paying red cent to the RIAA, woo hoo! In the store the radio was playing a tune by the Police! I listened to it for free, stealing from the POU-LEES! Woo hoo!
60 posted on 02/06/2007 11:02:38 AM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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