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But Worcester officials maintain the tree is public property and does not belong to Mallozzi. Mallozzi said based on the orders that he's gotten from the city, he's basically been put in a no-win situation.

"If you follow the order, you get in trouble. If you don't follow the order, you get in trouble," he said.

The city manager said orders from health officials were referring to high weeds on Mallozzi's lot, not the tree.

"We never direct private property owners to maintain or manage private property. That's our responsibility," O'Brien said.

Worcester officials posted notices on the tree and began an investigation. They said Mallozzi destroyed public property, and they slapped him with a hefty fine.

"(The fine for this tree) is $6,800 to replace the tree," Mallozzi said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/wcvb/20070203/lo_wcvb/10915824

1 posted on 02/04/2007 6:54:19 AM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: AmericanMade1776

The Maple Tree in Question

2 posted on 02/04/2007 6:56:35 AM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: AmericanMade1776
"...at the edge of a vacant lot belonging to businessman Anthony Mallozzi"

It's his tree!

He can cut it down if he wants to, right?

3 posted on 02/04/2007 6:56:57 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: AmericanMade1776
"We never direct private property owners to maintain or manage private property. That's our responsibility," O'Brien said.

What????

4 posted on 02/04/2007 6:58:08 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

The solution is to run enough people for city council so you can take it over and change the law. Fire the city manager while you are at it. This solution works 100% of the time.


5 posted on 02/04/2007 6:58:34 AM PST by isthisnickcool (The only reason you are still conscious is because I don't want to carry you- J. Bauer)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Only in Taxachusetts. Not surprising. Look at their two "Gong Show contestant" US Senators.


9 posted on 02/04/2007 6:59:26 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: AmericanMade1776; patton
"And it says that, 'I am responsible that I should not allow or maintain any growth of shrubs, bushes or trees to extend onto or over any portion of the public way, including sidewalks,'" he said.

But Worcester officials maintain the tree is public property and does not belong to Mallozzi.

"We never direct private property owners to maintain or manage private property. That's our responsibility," O'Brien said.


talk about no win situations!

let's see...

the tree is on your property, so you have to trim it back
from public sidewalks. the city tells you to do just that.

wait, now they say it's public property.

in the same breath they say they do not direct private
property owners to maintain their own property because
that's their job.

yeesh! i'm confuzeled!

patton...sounds like poor bedo... :(
14 posted on 02/04/2007 7:05:06 AM PST by leda (The quiet girl on the stairs.)
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To: AmericanMade1776
"We never direct private property owners to maintain or manage private property. That's our responsibility," O'Brien said.

So much for the definition of the words "PRIVATE Property".

19 posted on 02/04/2007 7:10:46 AM PST by Tactical
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To: AmericanMade1776

It's not just Massachusetts, sad to say. The city of Greensboro, NC has an "arborist" on staff. They'll fine you if you trim your crepe myrtles the "wrong" way in an historic district, in your own yard.


21 posted on 02/04/2007 7:13:34 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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You folks need to read the article.

Unless I am misreading it (and I live in Massachusetts, so I have heard a little more about it) the tree was NOT on the person's property, it was at the EDGE of his propery but not on it. It was on CITY land.

What he did was wrong. He deserved to be fined. If it was on his property, fine. He can do what he wishes. But is was not, and that changes everything. It is being portrayed as the government telling the guy what he can do with property he owns, and it is nothing like that.


23 posted on 02/04/2007 7:14:40 AM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: AmericanMade1776
The Tree Surgeons may have over done it, or maybe the tree was sicker than anyone wanted to admit.

But,

Here is a Businessman trying to make it better, yet layers of ambiguous over regulation (snob zoning & Mass. Socialism) at the city level has this man in a state of flux. It wouldn't surprise me if some business friendly state makes an overture to this entrepreneur to "Come on Down!"

This is not the 1st I heard of this. In another MA. town I heard of a young lad that rather than getting an approval from some Eco-Board said screw you, its on my property and cut a tree down. He got called in and fined. They don't know, that they don't know they are loosing their freedom.

27 posted on 02/04/2007 7:18:29 AM PST by taildragger
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To: AmericanMade1776

As the denizens of communist states have learned at the price of much pain since the days of Lenin, commissars are NOT there to help you; commissars are there to enjoy ego trips, push their weight around, and exult in making life difficult. This is what happens when the constitution is shredded, state socialism is established, and the concept of property rights becomes meaningless. Soon coming to your town.


31 posted on 02/04/2007 7:28:39 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: AmericanMade1776

It was not his tree. The right of way of roads in most cities includes the pavement, the land between the road and the sidewalk (called the tree lawn in some places), the sidewalk, and a few inches beyond the sidewalk belong to the city. If you look up in city records, they will tell you the width of the street is much bigger than the pavement. Your property begins at the surveyor's stakes (if any), which is where the right of way ends.

It is not your tree. The sidewalk isn't yours, either, but cities will still make you maintain it for them, but they don't wan't you messing with their trees. But you do have to cut their grass. Odd set of rules that make you responsible for everything but the tree. And that is the thing that can rot out and kill you.

This guy's maple was on the way out if his photos are correct. Most of the large limbs appeared to be hollow. He should have kept bugging the city to remove the tree before it killed someone. Ask for something in writing from the city that says the property owner is not responsible if the dangerous tree falls on someone. That usually gets them moving. The guy probably has an attorney. He should have let him bug the city.


32 posted on 02/04/2007 7:30:07 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: AmericanMade1776
Silver Maple.

Worst. Tree. Ever.

44 posted on 02/04/2007 7:48:57 AM PST by Semper911 ("We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." -Marge Simpson)
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To: AmericanMade1776
The area of Travis county I live in, has an ordinance that prohibits me from cutting any ashe juniper (mountain cedar) that is over eight inch diameter at the four foot level above the ground. UNLESS it is in the footprint of a new house under construction. If that is the case, you have to get a city permit to remove the tree. We cannot cut them off at the ground or trim anything over the eight inch diameter, except dead limbs.

One of her cedar trees died several years ago, and it was just over seven inches diameter. I made sure it wasn't too large, because we aren't allowed to cut dead trees, unless all the bark is gone. A protected bird, the golden cheeked warbler, uses the bark for it's nests.

Smaller trees can be cut without a permit. If I had any such cedar trees, they would already be gone. My neighbor still has two live cedar trees left between our homes. Each year, I have to trim the limbs off my roof.

56 posted on 02/04/2007 8:15:53 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Global warming = A lie told often enough, is eventually accepted as the truth.)
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To: AmericanMade1776
(The fine for this tree) is $6,800 to replace the tree," Mallozzi said.

Couldn't the city just order a new one from Burpees' for $29.99?

60 posted on 02/04/2007 8:28:08 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: AmericanMade1776

Big government is injurious to private property. More so in the people's republic of massachusets.


63 posted on 02/04/2007 8:30:08 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Liberalism - Yuck!)
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To: AmericanMade1776
"We never direct private property owners to maintain or manage private property. That's our responsibility," O'Brien said.

Come again!!??

71 posted on 02/04/2007 10:06:29 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: AmericanMade1776
The article does not state whether the tree was actually on his property. It only states "...at the edge of a vacant lot belonging to businessman Anthony Mallozzi."

Is the tree rooted on his property or not?
If the tree was not on his property, it did not belong to him and he had no right to touch it.

73 posted on 02/04/2007 10:13:42 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Res firma mitescere nescit)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Looks like an invasive species to me. Sue the city government for not protecting the environment and hampering compliance with federal regulations.


81 posted on 02/04/2007 2:31:31 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: AmericanMade1776

Massachusetts is a nice audio-visual aid for previewing the kind of secular-socialist tyranny the scumbag Democrats want for America. Of course, the voters of Massachusetts deserve exactly what they elect. I only hope enough of America still has the brains and personal integrity to prevent America from becoming one big Massachusetts (or California, or New Jersey, or.... France).

Creeping socialism never seems to creep backwards, and the biggest problem may be what Ann Coulter called "this country's rash experiment with women's suffrage." Well, the genie is out of that bottle and I hope it doesn't end up destroying America.


85 posted on 02/05/2007 1:42:27 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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