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Dakota Voice ^ | 1/29/2007 | Carrie K. Hutchens

Posted on 02/02/2007 3:49:53 AM PST by 8mmMauser

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To: 8mmMauser
This is quite amazing. The writer makes four statements in one sentence. All four are lies!

>> Remember when the federal government burst into Terri Schiavo's hospice room, shoved aside her husband, pulled back the comatose woman's eyelid and pronounced her fit as a fiddle and ready for love?

1) The feds did not get into Terri's room; 2) Michael was not so much as inconvenienced; 3) Terri wasn't comatose -- even if she had been PVS, that is a post-coma condition; 4) the federal law had absolutely nothing to do with Terri's condition.

1,521 posted on 04/22/2007 5:58:06 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: T'wit

I cannot take credit for this play on words, but the writer is suffering from an urgent case of liarrhea.


1,522 posted on 04/22/2007 7:21:48 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: bjs1779

Think of it this way. TERRI COULD SEE BETTER THAN JUDGE GEORGE GREER. IMO, the ME assigned a false diagnosis re: Terri’s eyesight cuz he knew he could.


1,523 posted on 04/22/2007 4:48:35 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: T'wit
Kitten on the Keys. Ragtime stuff. My hurricane rescue cat is afraid of my computer. That being said, he's not allowed in the office cuz he likes to trademark items and I follow him around with a windex bottle. Not in the office he won't.

Sounds like the GOP is going to use Terri for 2008. I will only support candidate who was on her side in 2005 when she really needed them. Too bd Terri was murdered by particularly barbaric, painful and gruesome dehydration and starvation.

ANIMALS!

1,524 posted on 04/22/2007 4:58:19 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: T'wit

QUOTE OF THE DAY ENTRY: “There will always be new cats.” FV


1,525 posted on 04/22/2007 4:59:32 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: Lesforlife

It’s ironic that Terri’s life depended on the wrong Supreme Court. All the judges who ordered her murder are going where it’s mighty hot. So are the Fla legislators, aclu mikey helpers, George Felos, D. Deathknell, and the ghouls at hostage woodside who fired staff who knew Terri wasn’t pvs.


1,526 posted on 04/22/2007 5:04:48 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: 8mmMauser
I remember mtg Ken Connor before the hearing w/Judge Baird, who ruled against Jebbie Bush and Jeb never did use his executive powers to get Terri out of there. Guv Crist wont help anyone who needs a feeding tube (except maybe Guv Corzone can have life support and a feeding tube). I wonder if Corzone is minimally concious or whatever. No seatbelt at 91 mph is folly. Maybe Corzone will be a changed man when he recovers. Feeding tubes are no big deal.

HOWEVER, Terri was robbed by mikey's lawyers and thn killed by florida's tyranical judiciary.

1,527 posted on 04/22/2007 5:16:57 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: 8mmMauser

REMEMBER THIS? www.judgegeorgegreer.com was JIM MORRISON’S ROOMATE IN COLLEGE. Crist must certainly know this. He’s a creep and I will NEVER vote for him. He changed girlfriends again too. I bet the socialite divorcee dumped him cz he’s so full of himself and busy reaching out to dems and evil rinos who by and large wanted Terri killed.


1,528 posted on 04/22/2007 5:22:27 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: floriduh voter
Think of it this way. TERRI COULD SEE BETTER THAN JUDGE GEORGE GREER. IMO, the ME assigned a false diagnosis re: Terri’s eyesight cuz he knew he could.

He also seemed to go out of his way to declare that "I have ruled out trauma".

In by Friday, cremated by Monday.

1,529 posted on 04/22/2007 6:00:16 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Matt Abbott is well known in conservative Catholic circles for his writings. Here he is writing about Emilio and the Bishop for RenewAmerica...

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Readers might be familiar with the Emilio Gonzales case, currently unfolding in Austin, Tex.

Baby Emilio has "Leigh's disease, an incurable disorder that causes the breakdown of the central nervous system. Gonzales' family has been fighting with an Austin hospital over a Texas law that allows it to give them just 10 days to find another place that will provide medical care after doctors there gave up hope of treating him," according to LifeNews.com.

On April 21, 2007, "Judge Guy Herman allowed toddler Emilio Gonzales to continue receiving his life support treatment at least until May 8. This decision came on April 17, giving attorneys for the Gonzales family and the hospital more time to prepare their cases to save or end Emilio's life.

"Emilio's mother, Catarina, is still desperately trying to relocate outside of Texas. She is seeking to find a place where her 17-month-old can be treated without fear of having his life support unplugged. Under the Texas Futile Care Law, hospitals are given the authority to cease life-support treatment of patients after giving families 10 days to find alternative care. Extensions are allowed if families have leads for alternative medical support," according to CBNNews.com.

Texas Right to Life and the Alliance Defense Fund are supporting baby Emilio's mother.

But Bishop Gregory Aymond, of the Austin Catholic diocese, appears to be siding with the hospital.............................................

Priest-author comments on Emilio Gonzales case

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1,530 posted on 04/23/2007 3:26:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
In this case, I pose, the disease of liberalism masks even a deeper sickness of this pro-deather...

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United States Supreme Court, get your heavy foot out of the operating room door.

You five justices who ruled on medicine and surgery related to a woman's right to privacy overstepped your arena. Your decision is the Terry Schiavo circus elevated to Circus Maximus.

People with law degrees, knowledge of stare decisis and habeas corpus, have no credentials for dictating how physicians practice medicine. Your claim of a moral interest/right is forged.

Embryo embracers who proclaim that "human life is sacred" are theologically wrong. Your belief is not biblical.

Sacred means holy, divine. Declaring humans sacred is, at minimum, arrogance. Biblically, it's idolatry. Better a graven image or golden calf. To want to be divine, like gods (Gen. 3:5, 22), is Adam's sin: Original Sin. Embryos included.

And while on the subject, partial-birth abortion is nonsense. Partial: halfway; birth: delivery. Halfway delivery abortion?

Pro-lifers, the pillars of your passion are...well....

Jack Reeves
LakeOconee@aol.com

Supreme Court Overstepped Arena On Abortion Ruling

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1,531 posted on 04/23/2007 3:39:20 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: floriduh voter
>> Too bd Terri was murdered by particularly barbaric, painful and gruesome dehydration and starvation.

We have been told by scores of Visitors, all of them serious, that the country approves of this. They say the Democrats won the last election because they have stronger approval than Republicans for murder by particularly barbaric, painful and gruesome dehydration and starvation.

1,532 posted on 04/23/2007 3:41:35 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> United States Supreme Court, get your heavy foot out of the operating room door.

When they take this guy to the operating room for involuntary castration, I am NOT going to complain to the Supreme Court.

1,533 posted on 04/23/2007 3:46:29 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: T'wit

I have a set of rusty, but dull boltcutters to volunteer. They could be sharpened, I suppose, but still work as is...


1,534 posted on 04/23/2007 4:00:24 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; T'wit; wagglebee; bjs1779; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; EternalVigilance; narses; Salvation; ...
Just gotta ping the Jim Robinson thread again. This thread is incredible, has flushed out many tormenters and unmasked them and now they are gone. Just like demons, libs under cover just can't help it, gotta tear off that mask when riled! Deo gratias!

It is a fast moving thread as many of our own Terri's List have visited and seen, and is worth a review for any who have not yet seen it. The recent threads on similar topics have had similar results, but this one is a step further, historic.

God Bless FreeRepublic!

Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

8mm


1,535 posted on 04/23/2007 4:11:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Father Trigilio's views make sense of a difficult situation. In a way it puts the caregiver on notice: if you are going to put a patient on a ventilator, have a plan for getting him off again. To remove it is to cause the death of the patient.

Karen Ann Quinlan's doctors refused to cross that line. They took the trouble to wean her off the ventilator. Karen Ann lived for nearly ten more years, and died of pneumonia. Judge George Greer was ignorant of this fact and because he had it wrong, drew false conclusions about Terri's wishes to live. That should have been cause for a higher court to overrule him.

1,536 posted on 04/23/2007 4:12:18 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: T'wit

Now, with that perspective, you may see how it works with feeding tubes. For all those years, we resisted feeding tubes for our son, even removed them ourselves, when a facility put them in without asking. It highlights the darker side of why Terri was on feeding tubes.

First, they are not necessarily for the good of the patient, but are time savers for the medical staff. It takes far less time to feed them that way than to feed the patient by hand. In our case it always took one to two hours or longer each meal to feed our son. We could speed that up of course, as could the medical staff, but nothing is faster than the tubes.

Second, they are a habit difficult to break. Once a patient is “hooked”, it is more difficult by the day to retrain. Unused muscles and functions atrophy naturally. After a period, it would be very difficult to restart feeding. But one cannot ignore or underestimate the resiliance of the handicapped. Terri like our son, could have handled jello anyway. It has the dual ability to provide nourishment and hydration, as “solid water”.

So hooking up Terri to feeding tubes accomplished more than the perps even knew, I would suppose. And as a bonusto them, taking away a spoon is obvious cruel denial, but taking out a tube is almost seen as gentle.


1,537 posted on 04/23/2007 4:34:41 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Salvation; Clintonfatigued
Ping to a thread by Clintonfatigued. Thanks, Salvation...

Mexicans marched on Sunday against plans to legalize abortion in Mexico City, a move that has split opinion in the world's second-largest Roman Catholic country and drawn fire from the Pope.

The bells of Mexico City's vast cathedral welcomed some 1,000 Roman Catholics, including families dressed in white, who packed it for Mass after carrying anti-abortion placards and images of the revered Virgin of Guadalupe through the streets.

Mexico City's local legislature, controlled by the leftist opposition Party of the Democratic Revolution, or PRD, is expected to approve a bill on Tuesday allowing abortions in the capital during the first three months of pregnancy.

Mexican Catholics protest plan to legalize abortion

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1,538 posted on 04/23/2007 4:44:03 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> First, they are not necessarily for the good of the patient, but are time savers for the medical staff.

True, true, and not a bad thing at all! To a degree, it's good for patients, for it allows very precise feeding. But of course, that was before the evil-minded took PEG tubes away to kill patients.

In Terri's case, the change of law to make PEG tubes "life-prolonging" and "extraordinary" care was, of course, for the sole purpose of killing inconvenient patients. There is no other reason for this law. It is not, strictly speaking, an "ex post facto" law, but it had the effect of one in Terri's case. If the law had actually been observed for Terri, she could not possibly have given informed consent to removal of the PEG tube. Consent has to be specific to the situation, not just a patient refusing further care. It must be INFORMED consent. She had to know in advance that she would dehydrated to death before she could consent to it.

How the higher courts let this go by is beyond imagining.

1,539 posted on 04/23/2007 5:29:20 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> For all those years, we resisted feeding tubes for our son, even removed them ourselves, when a facility put them in without asking. It highlights the darker side of why Terri was on feeding tubes. ... Second, they are a habit difficult to break. Once a patient is “hooked”, it is more difficult by the day to retrain. Unused muscles and functions atrophy naturally. After a period, it would be very difficult to restart feeding.

You were wise. Few would see this. Some would not look. They would focus, instead, on their own burden and never find the love and compassion to care for a precious child.

1,540 posted on 04/23/2007 6:35:59 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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