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Equipment For Added Troops Is Lacking
The Washington Post ^ | January 30, 2007 | Ann Scott Tyson

Posted on 01/29/2007 9:48:45 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

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To: leadpenny
True, but in short order the country, including it's war industry, was mobilized.

But today, we would need congressional investigations into environmental concerns, union concerns, wage concerns, gender concerns, multicultural concerns, ethnic concerns, muslim concerns, health concerns, age concerns, political concerns, racial concerns, immigration concerns, homosexual concerns, etc. THEN we will mobilize. It may take 5 or 6 years, but we'll be ready to go!

21 posted on 01/30/2007 5:18:49 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Zeroisanumber
There's paranoia involved, but the right in this country is also in a state of deep denial.

Brilliant post, and long overdue.

22 posted on 01/30/2007 5:21:46 AM PST by Wormwood (Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderate)
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To: Mr.Unique
re: normally

This is not normally though, coming off almost four years of two wars plus the usual needs of an armed forces spread all around a very large world. Troops in Europe, Japan, Korea, etc. and naval forces in virtually every major body of water deep enough to float them and air forces in the skies over lots of different places. I am not a military expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I do know that our forces were cut to the bone in the 90's and then all of a sudden we were faced with not only restoring our defenses to where they were prior to the 'peace dividend' AND fighting two wars. We have not had the kind of, and amount of, reserve material we should have for almost 20 years now.

21,000 plus COMBAT troops is a lot of people and equipment.

I might well have overstated my opinion, but the fact remains IMHO this is a sizable increase in forces.
23 posted on 01/30/2007 5:25:25 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: Steel Wolf
We are talking about deciding to build, equip and staff two new fire stations in a part of a city that already has a well functioning fire presence but suddenly needs more. It's not about leaking hoses and out of date trucks and that sort of thing. Sticking with your example of fire protection no department could several new companies from existing stocks of equipment. There's a big difference between having spare equipment for existing demands and adding additional capabilities.

Much of my statement was sarcasm aimed at the MSM for the fact that they find fault, usually major fault, with anything this administration does.

But I stand by the premise of my post, I would not expect us to have everything it takes to add 21,000 combat troops to the area. These troops would normally not be going en masse into one area, but rather be rotating through existing operations a thousand here, a thousand there.

Sorry if I left off the </sarcasm> tag!
24 posted on 01/30/2007 5:31:48 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: Right Wing Assault

I appreciate the sarcasm, really, and I understand the hurdles, but they are no excuse for the condition we find our military in.

Consider, why would we telegraph a message to the insurgents in Iraq that we're going to "surge" troops (whatever that means?) months before we do it? Four years experience fighting this war without fighting this war is making us look like something other than a super power.


25 posted on 01/30/2007 5:32:50 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: jwparkerjr

Rotation schedule? You're kidding, right. Exactly six months ago the 172nd Stryker Brigade was yanked back into Iraq for duty in Baghdad. Later the 1st Bde of the 1st AD was extended for the same duty, and now the 3rd Bde of the 10 Mountain Div is being extended in Afghanistan. I don't want to hear about rotation schedules.


26 posted on 01/30/2007 5:38:10 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: jwparkerjr
What a crock! Of course we lack the equipment you silly people of the press. Why would you buy equipment you don't need?

Ten years ago we had 250,000 more troops than we do now. What did we do with all the stuff they were using?

27 posted on 01/30/2007 5:38:31 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Right Wing Assault
When we jumped into WWII, we didn't have enough equipment. So we made it, quickly. Maybe we could try that same idea again and see if it still works. Maybe the WaPo could look into that.

We don't have the industrial base to do that. We have a single company manufacturing Humvees. A single source for trucks. A single source for armor kits. They don't ramp up that quickly.

28 posted on 01/30/2007 5:40:33 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: jwparkerjr

This is not an increase in the force. You won't start to see the effects of the planned increase for, at the earliest, a year. The 21.5 is coming out of the, so called, normal rotation schedule.


29 posted on 01/30/2007 5:41:35 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Steel Wolf

Our military is always stretched thin and always has been. It is in better shape however than when President Bush arrived. These problems will be fixed in short order and the surge is working.

Pray for W and Our Troops


30 posted on 01/30/2007 5:41:41 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: Non-Sequitur

"What did we do with all the stuff they were using?"

Worn out and blowed up.


31 posted on 01/30/2007 5:42:52 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Non-Sequitur

"We don't have the industrial base to do that."

Who's fault is that? We've had five years to do something about it.


32 posted on 01/30/2007 5:44:09 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: bray

You're smoking better stuff than I am.


33 posted on 01/30/2007 5:44:49 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: jwparkerjr
We are talking about deciding to build, equip and staff two new fire stations in a part of a city that already has a well functioning fire presence but suddenly needs more. It's not about leaking hoses and out of date trucks and that sort of thing.

You are actually incorrect. What we are talking about is the maintainance of function fire stations, not the creation of new ones. It is about leaking hoses and out of date trucks, not new equipment for new fire stations.

To stay with the metaphor. Iraq is a forest fire, and major military units are fire stations being rotated in to fight it. They had a rotation schedule that already stretched their ability to rest their guys and fix their equipment. Now, for the surge, some stations are being asked to commit longer, and others are being rushed back before they're ready. That means that the readiness of each unit is wearing down faster than our ability to restore it.

We're in no way talking about additional or extraneous capabilities. We're talking about the basic combat capabilities of our regular military units.

If the MSM is finding fault with how the administration is handling military readiness, then they're finally doing their job. The troop surge

34 posted on 01/30/2007 5:46:34 AM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: leadpenny

We killed 600 terrorists just the other day. Not a bad start.

Pray for W and Our Troops


35 posted on 01/30/2007 5:47:29 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: bray

Right, the politics of body counts worked out great in Vietnam.


36 posted on 01/30/2007 5:50:15 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
Who's fault is that? We've had five years to do something about it.

The administration. With all the Vietnam comparisons floating around out there, the one that cannot be denied is that the administration is repeating the error of Vietnam by trying to run the war on the cheap. We're paying for Iraq and Afganistan largely by canibalizing the rest of the forces. I started my Navy career right after Vietnam and heard all the stories. And it's deja vu all over again. The Navy is cutting ships and slashing maintenance because they don't have the funds. The Army has been turned into an occupation force only, because the troops don't have the time or money or equipment to train for their real job of fighting wars. The Air Force is seeing it's down aircraft percentage go through the roof for the same reason. Either the administration decides to fund the military as it should or it needs to get out. And funding the military will require hard choices. The money has to come from somewhere and that's either through revenue increases or real spending cuts in other areas. And I'm not holding my breath waiting for either of those to happen.

37 posted on 01/30/2007 5:53:44 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: bray
Our military is always stretched thin and always has been. It is in better shape however than when President Bush arrived.

Having served under both, I can say that I don't know that's entirely accurate. It's better in some ways, and worse than others. It's certainly no where near as good as it should be under a Republican fighting wars across the globe. For instance, his failure to repair Clinton's damage to our overall troop strength is flat out inexcusable.

These problems will be fixed in short order and the surge is working.

The surge may or may not work, but your assertation of things being fixed in short order is a dangerous fantasy. You may as well get up and chant "Help is on the way". It will take us many years to fix what we've broken.

38 posted on 01/30/2007 5:54:05 AM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: leadpenny

At least we should report that we are killing the enemy and this is not Vietnam. They have an elected gummit and their economy is roaring.

Butt then Good News is not what you are looking for.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


39 posted on 01/30/2007 5:54:42 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: bray
We killed 600 terrorists just the other day.

According to who? Iraqi police officials? Unnamed Iraqi military sources? What terrorist group were they with? Why does the body count keep increasing by increments of 50 every time I hit 'refresh'?

40 posted on 01/30/2007 5:57:16 AM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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