Posted on 01/27/2007 1:36:11 PM PST by tpaine
Sorry, there is nothing "courageous" about killing yourself.
There's definitely nothing courageous about killing these men who were just doing their jobs. Now somebody is missing a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother or a good friend because of property rights. This is terrible.
Funny, that's the identical argument most REAL gun grabbers use to ban certain types of weapons.
You're lying again...no one has ever denied you the right to carry weapons in your vehicle, what you DON'T have is the right to access private property against the wishes of the person or persons who owns that property.
I'll tell you exactly what the Founders thought about private property:
"One great object of Govt. is personal protection of the security of property." -- Alexander Hamilton"Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist." -- John Adams
"The right of property, is the guardian of every other right, and to deprive a people of this, is in fact to deprive them of their liberty." -- Arthur Lee
"The moment that idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the Laws of God and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence." -- John Adams
Property -- This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual." -- James Madison
Property as "sacred as the laws of God..."
What the Founders never truly imagined is the idea that their Constitution would be used to violate people's rights to their property in the name of convenient parking.
I understand their words, you don't.
--Okay, maybe this will require a little logical reasoning, but why would a man go to the trouble and expense of digging up a sewer line, if it weren't leaking?--
It was clogged?
I didn't mean to imply anything that dramatic. I do believe that when suspicion of The Government reaches a certain level it becomes a pathology. What it takes to reach that level is probably a long process that includes a sense of helplessness and a feeling of alienation from the system.
--Did Poland buy property with an easement prior to World War II?--
I don't know. Most probably.
You nailed my take on it, and articulated it VERY well.
Thanks.
Just like "offical" war veterans, he gave his life in the preservation of the freedom of other citizens.
A day that is creeping closer and closer, gathering speed by the minute.
--Is what Garry Watson did just a precursor to what is to come?--
Gary lost it. Nuts have been losing it for ages. Nothing new here. This happened in 2000. How many nuts have been shooting utility workers before and since. Please show us a trend.
>>~If~ [BIG if] he had a valid reason for killing, -- he killed the wrong men. The city officials forcing the issue were his enemies, not the workingmen.<<
You gotta kill the grunts in the foxholes to get to Hitler.
"Was this also regarding a sewer dispute?"
No, but it was a property dispute.
I'm glad to see this guy take a stand
That guy was a cold blooded murderer and a coward. He knew those men were not there to do him physical harm, and yet he took his time to aim and shoot these men. Hardworking, family men. I hope he agrees with his property lines in hell or Satan is in for some trouble. If any of the victims have children, I bet you couldn't look them in the eye and tell them their daddy is dead because someone "took a stand"
"-- You have absolutely no right to be on someone else's property without their permission. --"
And if permission is absolutely refused -- Watson [and Luis?] claimed the 'right' to shoot the trespasser.
Thanks luis, you've made my point.
The edge of my property.
At that point, my rights kick in.
>>Now somebody is missing a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother or a good friend because of property rights. This is terrible.<<
It is what happens to families on both sides in a war. War is hell.
The guys running the backhoe were not soldiers, or cops. They didn't have a way to defend themselves, nor should they have had to. You need to worry more about where your sense of right and wrong are then you do about my misuse of apostrophes.
--The local county government seems to always deal from a threatening tone, constantly.--
I have had several dealings with properties in several states, including California. In each case, the county government has bent over backwards to be polite and non-threatening.
No, but it was a property dispute.
All property disputes are not equal. Not to harp on the point, but there are actual people did because of this thing. Guys with families, most likely. American citizens who did nothing more than get up in the morning and go to their job. They were not an enemy nation attacking our country. They were just guy trying to fix a pipe.
Look, stick to the subject at hand, if you want to continue the debate with me. The fact is there was obviously some kind of problem with the sewer line, which the city wouldn't fix. He fixed it himself, and evidently, the city wouldn't compensate him for it. They then decided to take more of his property without due process. The rest is history.
If you want to split hairs and launch into red herring diversions, that's fine...I have better things to do. If you want to debate property rights and the logic or illogic of what Mr. Watson did, please stick to that subject.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
It would not have taken more than a couple of hours to get a restraining order pending a hearing. Why didn't they guy call a lawyer asap?
You got suckered by Suprynowicz's lies and spin. He decided to leave out clarification regarding the easement because it doesn't suit his agenda.
In the links I provided you will find clarification on the easement, and that it was preexisting. The feud had been going on for 10 years. The piece of trailer trash was trying to keep the rest of the residents in the town from having a functioning sewer system.
The feud between Watson, who works for a lead mining company, and the city began about 10 years ago when Watson purchased the vacant lot where the city held an easement, Alderman Rexel Conway said.
Watson initially owned a smaller lot, but bought adjacent property about 10 years ago, alderman Rexel Conway said. That second lot contained an easement allowing city workers to get to and from a sewage lagoon behind Watson's house. Watson has disputed the city's right to cross the property, Conway said. ''He didn't want us on the property,'' Conway said. ''We've had a couple of disputes, but it always got settled.''
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