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He said, 'If you come on my land, I'll kill you'
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Posted on 01/27/2007 1:36:11 PM PST by tpaine

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To: spunkets
"The emploer's parking desion must be restricted to considerstionof the vehicle only."

Not only are you making up words, now you're making up laws.

Post the law to back that restriction up.

"Sovereignty of the vehicle's interior belongs solely to the employee."

You're making a case for the right to steal from your employer.

Sovereignty to the contents of the land belongs solely to the person who owns it, and if that individual decides that the only way they will allow you access to their property if if you agree to your car being searched, then you either agree to that search, or turn away from the property.

Real simple...

Let's say that I own a company, and I have security guards posted at the entrance to its grounds.

There is a sign that advices you that in order for your vehicle to enter the property, you must agree to a search by the security guards, and that it will be searched again on the way out.

You approach the gate and refuse to let them search your vehicle, they refuse to grant you access.

End of story.

You have absolutely no right to be on someone else's property without their permission.

481 posted on 01/28/2007 10:15:37 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: tpaine

Have you now pulled your support for the 'gun-grabbing' GA bill?


482 posted on 01/28/2007 10:16:39 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: tpaine
Exactly. An honorable man would have fired warning shots, ran them off his land, and then tried to justify his action.

REPLY:

Honor has nothing to do with anything when citizens are pushed over the edge.

Once over the edge, sane logical thinking no longer comes into play.

Once a person feels so helpless that nothing can be done to stop what he or she considers a grievous action then they take radical measures.

I see this same kind of helplessness in the form of road rage from otherwise good hearted citizens on the freeways here in California.

We live in an age of anxiety where the world and our lives are going to be destroyed by every perceived thing under the Sun.

Global warming in say a few hundred years is a real example of the sky is falling attitude of the Dimocrats.
483 posted on 01/28/2007 10:19:04 AM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia now a certified socialist state reporting to Mexico City for further instructions)
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To: OKIEDOC

--Honor has nothing to do with anything when citizens are pushed over the edge.--

He should never have bought the land if he didn't want them to use the easement. He wasn't "pushed". He just lost it.


484 posted on 01/28/2007 10:21:05 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
Red herring argument. Whether the yard was "flooded" or not, there was a leak (just in case you've never smelled a sewer leak, trust me, it's very obvious), it was the city's reposnsibility to fix it, and they didn't. Watson had to use his own money to do so (excavation and fixing a sewer line isn't cheap, either, especially on the budget of someone who works at a battery recycling plant). Evidently, the city didn't compensate him for it either.

Yeah, I'd be angry, too.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

485 posted on 01/28/2007 10:21:11 AM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

--Post the law to back that restriction up.--

We could post the GA bill which you have said that you agree with but that isn't law yet.


486 posted on 01/28/2007 10:22:02 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: tpaine

"you called him insane, not me...."

"beyond rationality" intimates insanity.


one can surmise that the man who reacted so violently was subject to tyranny, the duration and intensity probably commensurate with the reaction.



487 posted on 01/28/2007 10:22:03 AM PST by ripley
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To: wku man

--Red herring argument. Whether the yard was "flooded" or not, there was a leak (just in case you've never smelled a sewer leak, trust me, it's very obvious), it was the city's reposnsibility to fix it, and they didn't. --

Oh, it is ok to post false statements but when called on it shout "Red Herring" to the person that outs your false statement. Good debating tactic.


488 posted on 01/28/2007 10:23:11 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: wku man

--there was a leak --

Did you make that up?


489 posted on 01/28/2007 10:23:38 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
No, I didn't duck the question. A lot of the answer was implied: "Read the article" (and you will understand I didn't just make it up).

Now, a question to you: did you read the argument? A follow-up: wouldn't you be angry if you were in Mr. Watson's boots?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

490 posted on 01/28/2007 10:24:12 AM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: ripley

--one can surmise that the man who reacted so violently was subject to tyranny, the duration and intensity probably commensurate with the reaction.--

What tyranny. He bought a piece of property that included an easement. If he didn't like that easement, he should never have bought the property.


491 posted on 01/28/2007 10:24:38 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
I guess you've never smelled a sewer leak, have you?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

492 posted on 01/28/2007 10:25:15 AM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: wku man

The article says nothing about a leak or raw sewage so you must have made that up.


493 posted on 01/28/2007 10:25:34 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: wku man

--I guess you've never smelled a sewer leak, have you?--

Yes. But what does that have to do with this except that you have made it up that there was a raw sewage leak.


494 posted on 01/28/2007 10:27:08 AM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
Okay, maybe this will require a little logical reasoning, but why would a man go to the trouble and expense of digging up a sewer line, if it weren't leaking?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

495 posted on 01/28/2007 10:29:43 AM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: UpAllNight

Did Poland buy property with an easement prior to World War II? Did France? Did Ghengis Khan's mongol hordes riding bloody across the tundra have an easement? Did the Black Plague that swept across Europe have an easement?


496 posted on 01/28/2007 10:29:55 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell; tpaine
Durasell wrote: "Yep. Americans by nature are suspicious of gubmint -- which is a good thing. But when it crosses a line, then it's a symptom of something else."

Tpaine once wrote: "You ever read "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross?
Good example of 'my line'. -- A clear effort by our governments to deprive us of any of our fundamental individual rights would involve me in an insurrection or revolution."

Durasell, I have a question for you. You inferred in your post that when I or perhaps any of my fellow citizens become overly suspicious of the actions of government something will happen and a line will be crossed.

I tagged Tpaine so that he would, like me, be appraised of your answer to my question.

By now, you must be aware of the fact that this country was founded by a group of men who had just recently been involved in a rebellion against the government. This line thing intrigues me. Is it the moment in time where we as as citizens of this great nation embark upon another such adventure? Is what Garry Watson did just a precursor to what is to come?

I do not know and that is why I ask you.

Semper Fi
An Old Man

497 posted on 01/28/2007 10:31:06 AM PST by An Old Man (USMC 1956 1960)
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To: UpAllNight
Many in governments of all sizes, especially here in California do not feel the individual has rights.

This thinking comes from those who have a It Takes A Village mentality to run this country.

I have dealt with easements on my ranch property from everyone, state and county government to oil and gas company pipelines.

The oil companies are the best to deal with.

The local county government seems to always deal from a threatening tone, constantly.
498 posted on 01/28/2007 10:31:08 AM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia now a certified socialist state reporting to Mexico City for further instructions)
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To: Artemis Webb
The Battle of Lexington and Concord was citizen militia's (sic) against British troops. The militia's (sic) didn't go shoot the blacksmith and the nice lady at the seamstress shop.

That's because the village blacksmith and the nice lady seamstress were not among the British troops. If they had been, they undoubtedly would have been shot at.

Using the Boston Tea Party as an analogy here was simply a poor choice on your part.

CA....

499 posted on 01/28/2007 10:32:42 AM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: tpaine

>>But killing these working men for "the principle" of the ability to act at will and without need for justification" is beyond rationality.<<

And that is what other people in the area said. They also said he was pushed.

One thing is for sure, if more people did it, we would all enjoy more freedom. In a real way, one could say he gave his life for our freedom.

Who is John Galt?


500 posted on 01/28/2007 10:34:40 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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